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Old 08-14-2014, 12:50 PM   #14951
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Let's face it, most people who race their cars do it on a drag strip. The Z/28 got more hate than any vehicle I have ever seen. The amount of hate from posters on this site alone was insane. People want straight line speed and high horsepower. The Camaro is lacking in both compared to the GT500 and now Hellcat powered cars.
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On a different note, my affable travelling partner to "things automotive" events is "down for the count". NO trip to the Woodward Dream Cruise (sorry, Pete!), NO attendance at Saturday's Hellcat Hoedown (darn it all!)...and NO private plant tour of the COPO production facility happening this afternoon (double-darn!).

With the unfortunate floods bestowed upon the Metro Detroit area, Monday-Tuesday, I was afraid the "official" classic for this year's Cruise was going to be a Shephard lapstrake BOAT...

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Old 08-14-2014, 12:58 PM   #14953
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People want straight line speed and high horsepower. The Camaro is lacking in both compared to the Hellcat powered cars.
...and the tell of THAT tape will be its sales #s...and what is traded-in for them...and how it weathers the GM juggernaut, due in a year.

"Stay tuned"...Buford T. Justice and his Deputies will want 'em in plain ol' Black 'n White, NOT Curious Yellow or Fantastic Fuchsia...

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Old 08-14-2014, 01:08 PM   #14954
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Old 08-14-2014, 01:16 PM   #14955
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Old 08-14-2014, 01:43 PM   #14956
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...and the tell of THAT tape will be its sales #s...and what is traded-in for them...and how it weathers the GM juggernaut, due in a year.

"Stay tuned"...Buford T. Justice and his Deputies will want 'em in plain ol' Black 'n White, NOT Curious Yellow or Fantastic Fuchsia...

Are you saying the CTS-V will be the juggernaut?

I expect the Hellcat cars to sell very well. 707 hp for $60k is very tempting.
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707 HP! 200+ MPH! $59,995! RUNS 11's!

You're dazzled by the headlines, without reading the full article and contemplating the full effect of such a decision. Unless the headlines answer ALL your narrow requirements. 707 hp in an Abrams A-1 tank is YESTERDAY's answer to a question from YEARS ago...

As I said on the previous page, comparing the coming CTS-V to anything currently marketed by Dodge is a disservice to BOTH. They simply swim in different pools. NO ONE buying either will list the other, on their JD Power Initial Quality Survey, as their 2nd choice. CTS-V vs. Hellcat is a 'net-based pizzing contest for those without the wherewithal OR inclination to buy a CTS-V. Period. Regardless of either its unreleased price OR "performance".

Alpha leads to opportunity. SS going away. But Reuss will see to it that its departure will shortly thereafter be unlamented...

The Gen-6 Camaro gives us a peek at what RWD wonders Chev will be blessed with...and in flavors other than 2-dr-only... If they can make a sub-4000 lb. LT4-engined Camaro, why would a 4-dr replacement for the wrongly-named SS be such a s-t-r-e-t-c-h? T-4/V6/V8s...budget-conscious (GM can read Mopar's tea leaves, too!), value-added, better quality @ market-correct prices.

NOT a new recipe...

Wrap one in a plain BLACK wrapper...and call it a GNX...and see how many nanoseconds it would take for that version to go "viral" and fill Buick's order bank, in numbers Mopar could only WISH for...
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Old 08-14-2014, 05:15 PM   #14958
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Let's face it, most people who race their cars do it on a drag strip. The Z/28 got more hate than any vehicle I have ever seen. The amount of hate from posters on this site alone was insane. People want straight line speed and high horsepower. The Camaro is lacking in both compared to the GT500 and now Hellcat powered cars.
the Z/28 was hated because it was 75k.

The ZL1 imo is still very capable car. Buy a cam and a pulley set and 700hp is right under your foot. Not to mention will easily pull 1G in cornering AND about 200lbs lighter than the Hellcat.

Sure the public LOVES to magazine race. But IMHO - the best bang drag car is still the outgoing 5.0 Mustang GT.

30k and your pick of forced induction mods with drag radials and you are 10s all day. 9s if you want to push it.

This IS the car that GM neglected to make. Maybe next time
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the Z/28 was hated because it was 75k.

The ZL1 imo is still very capable car. Buy a cam and a pulley set and 700hp is right under your foot. Not to mention will easily pull 1G in cornering AND about 200lbs lighter than the Hellcat.

Sure the public LOVES to magazine race. But IMHO - the best bang drag car is still the outgoing 5.0 Mustang GT.

30k and your pick of forced induction mods with drag radials and you are 10s all day. 9s if you want to push it.

This IS the car that GM neglected to make. Maybe next time

People hate the Z/28 because it doesn't come with all the "stuff" we have been trained to believe a car needs. If it came with power adjustable seats that were heated, cooled and massaged their ass, heated and cooled steering wheel, GPS and all the other gadgetry, it would be worth the price. They don't care about carbon ceramic brakes, a hand built V8, standard Recaros, DSSV suspension and all the engineering that went it to it. They want the stuff and the ability to say they have a Z/28. That is what matters most to people now a days.

I'm the opposite. I want my car to be like a Z/28. I don't need all the technology. I don't need power seats. The A/C in my car doesn't even work. I just roll the window down.
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Old 08-14-2014, 10:58 PM   #14960
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People hate the Z/28 because it doesn't come with all the "stuff" we have been trained to believe a car needs. If it came with power adjustable seats that were heated, cooled and massaged their ass, heated and cooled steering wheel, GPS and all the other gadgetry, it would be worth the price. They don't care about carbon ceramic brakes, a hand built V8, standard Recaros, DSSV suspension and all the engineering that went it to it. They want the stuff and the ability to say they have a Z/28. That is what matters most to people now a days.

I'm the opposite. I want my car to be like a Z/28. I don't need all the technology. I don't need power seats. The A/C in my car doesn't even work. I just roll the window down.
100% agreed!
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108 in Texas or 95 by 95 in Virginia and I want AC.
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Old 08-14-2014, 11:17 PM   #14962
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108 in Texas or 95 by 95 in Virginia and I want AC.
I live in So Cal and it gets that hot here too. A/C would be nice but I can live without it.
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Old 08-15-2014, 01:48 AM   #14963
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People hate the Z/28 because it doesn't come with all the "stuff" we have been trained to believe a car needs. If it came with power adjustable seats that were heated, cooled and massaged their ass, heated and cooled steering wheel, GPS and all the other gadgetry, it would be worth the price. They don't care about carbon ceramic brakes, a hand built V8, standard Recaros, DSSV suspension and all the engineering that went it to it. They want the stuff and the ability to say they have a Z/28. That is what matters most to people now a days.

I'm the opposite. I want my car to be like a Z/28. I don't need all the technology. I don't need power seats. The A/C in my car doesn't even work. I just roll the window down.
i guess. Most of the crying i saw was "overpriced" "its too much for the average joe" etc
IDK

I love what the Z/28 is. In fact it may even have too much "stuff" for me.

It is a factory hot rod that really IMO only needs a beefier camshaft to utilize those heads

i want one to drive daily.
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Old 08-15-2014, 10:31 AM   #14964
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If there were only one answer we'd be bored stiff.

Imagine if we were arguing over which of the 3 4400 pound 707 hp cars was the best.
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Old 08-15-2014, 04:27 PM   #14965
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i guess. Most of the crying i saw was "overpriced" "its too much for the average joe" etc
IDK

I love what the Z/28 is. In fact it may even have too much "stuff" for me.

It is a factory hot rod that really IMO only needs a beefier camshaft to utilize those heads

i want one to drive daily.
Yeah, well you can thank emissions regulations for the camshaft. Even if I could afford one, I would have to leave it stock due to living in California.
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Old 08-15-2014, 05:12 PM   #14966
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Yeah, well you can thank emissions regulations for the camshaft. Even if I could afford one, I would have to leave it stock due to living in California.
I am just outside of Chicago's testing circle

Although there was some chatter about making it statewide - i doubt it happens. It is a bunch of farmland outside of Chicago and then down by St Louis (the other testing area in the state)

Its a liberal and corrupt state - but at least it is concentrated
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Old 08-17-2014, 08:40 PM   #14967
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Ouch, C7 Z06 weighs 3,525 lbs. I knew it would be heavy but that is not good.

http://www.corvette7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=373638
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Old 08-17-2014, 08:55 PM   #14968
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Ouch, C7 Z06 weighs 3,525 lbs. I knew it would be heavy but that is not good.

http://www.corvette7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=373638
On the C6 Z06, the aluminum frame and carbon fiber shaved over 160 pounds. The MUCH bigger wheels, tires, brakes and 8 quart dry sump LS7 added most of it right back in. So now that that the base C7 has the aluminum frame and CF, the Z06 is pure plus weight for all that performance.
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Old 08-17-2014, 09:04 PM   #14969
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On the C6 Z06, the aluminum frame and carbon fiber shaved over 160 pounds. The MUCH bigger wheels, tires, brakes and 8 quart dry sump LS7 added most of it right back in. So now that that the base C7 has the aluminum frame and CF, the Z06 is pure plus weight for all that performance.
I understand that and was one of the few people who expected a significant weight gain. I'm just disappointed one of my favorite badges is so far off what it used to be.
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Old 08-17-2014, 09:26 PM   #14970
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I wish my Z/28 had manual windows/mirrors. I'm the only one that drives it, so once the mirrors are set, I'm good. Don't need to use the windows with the working AC.
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I wish my Z/28 had manual windows/mirrors. I'm the only one that drives it, so once the mirrors are set, I'm good. Don't need to use the windows with the working AC.
That would take it to a new level.......but likely only save 5 more pounds.
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Old 08-17-2014, 10:36 PM   #14972
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I wish my Z/28 had manual windows/mirrors. ........ Don't need to use the windows with the working AC.
I believe GM said that manual windows actually added weight to the car over the electric version. Of course that little bit of weight won't mean much to those that won't be able to, or don't want to, push the car to where it matters.
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Old 08-18-2014, 07:44 AM   #14973
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Ouch, C7 Z06 weighs 3,525 lbs. I knew it would be heavy but that is not good.
Think of it this way: with ALL the bits added vs. the Z51, it ONLY gained 100 lb.

Glass MUCH more than 1/2 full...
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Think of it this way: with ALL the bits added vs. the Z51, it ONLY gained 100 lb.

Glass MUCH more than 1/2 full...
So you are saying the glass is half full
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Bottom line is all cars are gaining weight due to regulations and equipment. Even super cars are gaining weight. However the good news is HP is growing with it.
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