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Old 08-20-2014, 11:31 AM   #1
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Lethal Racing - Concerned on Lack of Communication

Pretty much as the title states.

I have been working on gathering information from them (just so i can inform myself and make educated choices on part choices), and will be scheduling them for next summer (can't put anything into stone yet as my wedding is in 3 weeks). But after good communication for a while, I haven't heard anything from them in over 2 months.

Does anyone know if Lethal is running behind that that is why communication has been scarce?

I'm sold on Lethal doing my work, I just want to feel my concerns are being heard because its a long commitment to drive from Pittsburgh to Scott, LA.

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Old 08-20-2014, 11:44 AM   #2
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They are very busy. That's all I'll say about that.
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Old 08-20-2014, 11:47 AM   #3
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They are very busy. That's all I'll say about that.
Understood. I wasn't calling them out, i just wanted to make sure perhaps the email addresses changed? Or something of the sort.

Alright, I will sit and wait.

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Old 08-20-2014, 11:52 AM   #4
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Keep bugging them would be my advice. And use a phone instead of email. Emails are easy to forget about.
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Old 08-20-2014, 12:03 PM   #5
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Phone worked best for me. I had to leave messages a couple time. As thahemp said, they are busy.
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Old 08-20-2014, 12:11 PM   #6
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I thought I was the only one trying to get thru to them. I've been wanting to schedule an appointment to get some gears installed but after a couple of emails I haven't heard anything back in about a week.I can't wait to have some gears on my car. I'll just patiently wait
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Old 08-20-2014, 12:25 PM   #7
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Same phone number, email, and Facebook. I will admit that sometimes they take a little while to respond, but they do great work and will take care of you. Especially when they actually have your car in front of them.

If you are trying to actually schedule something Camarosspower, I would give them a call if they havent emailed you back. You shouldnt have to wait if you are actually ready to get something done.

As for the OP, if you are just gathering info and advice right now, I would send them reminders every once in a while.
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It's easier if you call. I never had a problem whenever I called them they answered quickly or called back right away. Good luck.
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Old 08-20-2014, 12:37 PM   #9
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My car is at lethal and has been for months. They are extremely busy and Shawn is swamped when I do talk to him about my car.
I email Shawn all the time I just think they have so much going on its hard for them to respond to every customer in the time the customer would expect.
When I go by and talk to Shawn I know he is more then happy to answer all my questions.
I try not to bug them too much because I know I'm not the only customer wanting to get info on the progress.
Usually if the girl at the desk answers she will pass onto Shawn what you need.
I would say just keep calling and leave messages.
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Old 08-20-2014, 12:41 PM   #10
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My car is at lethal and has been for months. They are extremely busy and Shawn is swamped when I do talk to him about my car.
I email Shawn all the time I just think they have so much going on its hard for them to respond to every customer in the time the customer would expect.
When I go by and talk to Shawn I know he is more then happy to answer all my questions.
I try not to bug them too much because I know I'm not the only customer wanting to get info on the progress.
Usually if the girl at the desk answers she will pass onto Shawn what you need.
I would say just keep calling and leave messages.
Alright, thank you. I just need to make sure that everything is in line before I schedule. Like i said, its a long ass drive from Pittsburgh to Scott, LA, thus I want ot make sure everything has been answered before I leave my driveway.

Also, your car has been there for months? When I spoke with sean a while back about coming next summer, he said that there would be no issue scheduling....hmmmm

Either way, I'll be sure to call them and find out what is up.

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i found sending a pm on here works best Black10 is Nick
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Old 08-20-2014, 02:41 PM   #12
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Has anybody done their gears there?
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Lethal installs a lot of gears.
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So nothing to worry about then??
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Alright, thank you. I just need to make sure that everything is in line before I schedule. Like i said, its a long ass drive from Pittsburgh to Scott, LA, thus I want ot make sure everything has been answered before I leave my driveway.

Also, your car has been there for months? When I spoke with sean a while back about coming next summer, he said that there would be no issue scheduling....hmmmm

Either way, I'll be sure to call them and find out what is up.

Thanks!
My car is a whole other story! Mines there for a complete rebuild and tune issues all jacked up by another shop!!! Not lethals fault as they are fixing the other shops screw ups.
That's the only reason its been there for months. A lot was Shawn working on it when he could and helping me out.
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Has anybody done their gears there?
Yes my 3.91's were installed there. Luckily for me Shawn already had a rearend with 3.91's already in stock so he just swapped the whole rearend for me when I was getting my cam installed a year ago.
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Pretty much as the title states.

I have been working on gathering information from them (just so i can inform myself and make educated choices on part choices), and will be scheduling them for next summer (can't put anything into stone yet as my wedding is in 3 weeks). But after good communication for a while, I haven't heard anything from them in over 2 months.

Does anyone know if Lethal is running behind that that is why communication has been scarce?

I'm sold on Lethal doing my work, I just want to feel my concerns are being heard because its a long commitment to drive from Pittsburgh to Scott, LA.

Thanks!
I didn't realize you were almost a year out on your mods OP. To put it bluntly... they probably don't have time for you. If i was running at 150% and getting home late every night to my family I would skip everyone that wasn't at the front of the line too.

What details are you looking for? There are plenty of people around to help you pick parts.
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I didn't realize you were almost a year out on your mods OP. To put it bluntly... they probably don't have time for you. If i was running at 150% and getting home late every night to my family I would skip everyone that wasn't at the front of the line too.

What details are you looking for? There are plenty of people around to help you pick parts.
Thats sorta what i'm figuring.

Here are the 2 topics i was hoping to gain insight on.

1. I have been researching the oil type I should use with the build. A lot of what I have read states that I should be using a higher zinc oil, such as Amsoil Z-Rod oil, or Pennzoil VR1.

What does Lethal use for the initial engine build? What is your long term recommendations? What are the long term effects?

I am trying to do right by this build, and want to ensure the longevity of it.

For Zinc oils, what weight do you recommend is used? (if you recommend it)

Also, for the rear diff fluid, i would also like to swap it to Amsoil gear fluid after I get home (after break in), what are your suggestions on that? What weight?

2. Additionally, I have been looking into underdrive pulleys. What is lethal's stance on this? I did not see it on the build list, so am i right to assume that the plan was to put the OEM one right back on? Does Lethal have a recommended underdrive pulley for the c5 with the night fury cam install? My understanding is you have to remove the OEM underdrive pulley for the cam install, so I'm thinking I'd like to get everything done at once. Also, if I don't get the underdrive pulley done at cam install, can it be done aftewards without impacting the tune? Finally, if I do underdrive, do you recommend I do overdrive at the same time?


I just want to reiterate again. I appreciate everything Lethal has done for me thus far, and I'm not "calling them out" or "throwing htem under the bus", I was just hoping to know what their status was, that might provide some insight into why I hadn't heard form them in 2 months.

Thats all.

Thank you everyone!
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Thats sorta what i'm figuring.

Here are the 2 topics i was hoping to gain insight on.

1. I have been researching the oil type I should use with the build. A lot of what I have read states that I should be using a higher zinc oil, such as Amsoil Z-Rod oil, or Pennzoil VR1.

What does Lethal use for the initial engine build? What is your long term recommendations? What are the long term effects?

I am trying to do right by this build, and want to ensure the longevity of it.

For Zinc oils, what weight do you recommend is used? (if you recommend it)

Also, for the rear diff fluid, i would also like to swap it to Amsoil gear fluid after I get home (after break in), what are your suggestions on that? What weight?

I don't know what they use in their builds, or even what your build is specifically. I'm going to assume you're just doing a cam and gears or something similar. You do want a good high ZDDP oil. You can pick your poison as long as it is Amsoil ZROD, Joe Gibbs, Valvoline VR1, etc. Your weight is going to be 10W30 with any of those oils. JG just calls theirs LS30... I assume that's a 10 weight cold. I run 10W30 ZROD in my car. I also run Amsoil gear oil in my diff and Amsoil ATF in my TR6060. No friction modifier added to the diff.

2. Additionally, I have been looking into underdrive pulleys. What is lethal's stance on this? I did not see it on the build list, so am i right to assume that the plan was to put the OEM one right back on? Does Lethal have a recommended underdrive pulley for the c5 with the night fury cam install? My understanding is you have to remove the OEM underdrive pulley for the cam install, so I'm thinking I'd like to get everything done at once. Also, if I don't get the underdrive pulley done at cam install, can it be done aftewards without impacting the tune? Finally, if I do underdrive, do you recommend I do overdrive at the same time?

If you're going to get an underdrive pulley, don't go cheap. My personal opinion is that the underdrive isn't worth the 5HP, but there are plenty who disagree. I rev mine to 7K with no problems on the stock balancer. It's totally up to you, but don't go cheap. You can certainly do the pulley after the fact. It won't affect the tune. One thing to keep in mind is that if they don't use an ARP crank bolt, then you will need to replace the crank bolt every time you remove it. It's a one time use bolt. Buy the ARP crank bolt and you can reuse it.

I just want to reiterate again. I appreciate everything Lethal has done for me thus far, and I'm not "calling them out" or "throwing htem under the bus", I was just hoping to know what their status was, that might provide some insight into why I hadn't heard form them in 2 months.

Thats all.

Thank you everyone!
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Thank you so much for that detailed response.

To fill in the gaps, my build:

Nightfury cam, with their heads package, ported intake, big gulp installed, eaton trutrack rear with 4.10s. When i get home I'm also going to swap fluids and a LPW IRS cover on the rear.
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Nice build. Those 4.10s are gonna feel awesome. Your axles will be on borrowed time. I have an extra set of stock axles laying in my garage for when mine finally let loose. You should be able to find a backup set on here for around $150.

The ATF tranny fluid helps a lot with cold weather notchiness. Make sure you get a 4' length of tubing to fill the tranny back up with. Then you can just run the hose into the fill hole and funnel it in from the top. You won't get the full gallon in there, but it'll be close. I did my diff oil while the rear cradle was out of the car for subframe bushings. It looked like a tight squeeze to get the bottle in there with the cradle in the car.
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Nice build. Those 4.10s are gonna feel awesome. Your axles will be on borrowed time. I have an extra set of stock axles laying in my garage for when mine finally let loose. You should be able to find a backup set on here for around $150.

The ATF tranny fluid helps a lot with cold weather notchiness. Make sure you get a 4' length of tubing to fill the tranny back up with. Then you can just run the hose into the fill hole and funnel it in from the top. You won't get the full gallon in there, but it'll be close. I did my diff oil while the rear cradle was out of the car for subframe bushings. It looked like a tight squeeze to get the bottle in there with the cradle in the car.
Thank you. I agree, the axles I figure will begin to show wear as soon as I start seeing a strip. I think they should be ok for day to day driving and the occasional launch. But yeah, they are next on the "fix before it breaks" list.

I actually swapped tranny fluid this past spring to Red Line's ATF fluid. It has certainly helped with the notchiness. Do you recommend I change it again next year after the install?
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Nah. That Redline is good stuff too. You already solved the problem.
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Last I talked to Nick, they use Mobil 1 Synthetic for their basic cam installs. Maybe they've switched to something else over the last year.
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Pretty much as the title states.

I have been working on gathering information from them (just so i can inform myself and make educated choices on part choices), and will be scheduling them for next summer (can't put anything into stone yet as my wedding is in 3 weeks). But after good communication for a while, I haven't heard anything from them in over 2 months.

Does anyone know if Lethal is running behind that that is why communication has been scarce?

I'm sold on Lethal doing my work, I just want to feel my concerns are being heard because its a long commitment to drive from Pittsburgh to Scott, LA.

Thanks!
really dude you are talking to them now about scheduling them for next summer really. i am sure they are working with people for the now or next week. i have never used them before but i can see why the
communication is not there the way you want it. the fact they even gave you the time they did now is pertty good... think about it
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