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Old 08-14-2009, 02:00 PM   #15
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What bate and tackle are you using? LOL The answer is yes, but cannot talk about it

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Old 08-14-2009, 02:10 PM   #16
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Oh well I figured it was worth a try!
I will be keeping up with what you guys are doing for our beloved Camaros. When I get home and finnaly get to order..... wether it is a SS or some special Camaro(yet to be seen) Yall will be the first I go to for upgrades!

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Old 08-14-2009, 02:17 PM   #17
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Very cool! Feel free to shoo me off, but just wondering if you had to modify anything? I'm guessing it required your coilovers for clearance but anything else have to get tweaked?

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Old 08-14-2009, 03:06 PM   #18
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great news mike ! , pedders indy car handling + crazy petes driving skills + procharged 6.2 = a priceless youtube video
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Old 08-14-2009, 03:06 PM   #19
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Very cool! Feel free to shoo me off, but just wondering if you had to modify anything? I'm guessing it required your coilovers for clearance but anything else have to get tweaked?



Since the goal is to obtain a more superior handling Camaro, the test fit was done on a Xa equipped Camaro. All of our work we have done on wheels and tires is to enhance the ultimate handing Camaro. Having the same size tire front and rear is a benefit that will assist in the reduction of understeer. Adding wider tires to the rear than the fronts, increases understeer.

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I'm looking forward to seeing the numbers and the results of your secret project with GM.
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Hey Mike, any update on where this round of XA's are right about now?
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Old 08-14-2009, 05:27 PM   #23
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Pete will be mad at me, but Pete's Camaro will be prepped to out-perform a Z06 on a actual track, which will probably be Gingerman. That will not be hard to do. But we will push the envelop to eat a ZR1. Cannot talk about what we are going to do, but we are not at the point with our testing tht we think we can do it. We have already been able to get Pete's G8 within a 1/2 second off of qualifying time for a GTR Vette with street tires. So now we are hungry!

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Bring it out to Miller Motorsports Park for NASA Nationals and we'll run you in our ST1 Z06. The engine is basically stock aside from Headers, Intake and Exhaust. It would be interesting to say the least.



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Old 08-14-2009, 05:53 PM   #24
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Since the goal is to obtain a more superior handling Camaro, the test fit was done on a Xa equipped Camaro. All of our work we have done on wheels and tires is to enhance the ultimate handing Camaro. Having the same size tire front and rear is a benefit that will assist in the reduction of understeer. Adding wider tires to the rear than the fronts, increases understeer.

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Unless your sway bar package was designed to get the largest possible tire under the front and rear without rubbing. I think the optimal tire size is going to be 275-295 front and 305-315 rear.

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Bring it out to Miller Motorsports Park for NASA Nationals and we'll run you in our ST1 Z06. The engine is basically stock aside from Headers, Intake and Exhaust. It would be interesting to say the least.



Have a great weekend Mike!
I would assume we will be running our tests at Gingerman. We have easy access to it, and it is close to our corporate office.

Have a great weekend as well.

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Since the goal is to obtain a more superior handling Camaro, the test fit was done on a Xa equipped Camaro. All of our work we have done on wheels and tires is to enhance the ultimate handing Camaro. Having the same size tire front and rear is a benefit that will assist in the reduction of understeer. Adding wider tires to the rear than the fronts, increases understeer.

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Mike, I'm sold, once you let slip on wheel and tire configs, I'm in. But I'm still gonna go with 20's.

when you have time, can you educate me on why wider rears than fronts increases understeer?

I'd like to learn why this happens.

Can't wait to see the details.
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Unless your sway bar package was designed to get the largest possible tire under the front and rear without rubbing. I think the optimal tire size is going to be 275-295 front and 305-315 rear.

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We are going to have 2 multi adjustable sway bar packages available, and this is due to a serious variations we will see in the Camaro community in chasis upgrades. We will have options from guys who just want to do tires and bars, to our Track Xa system that has everything we offer. The differences in sway bar needs are quite different. The WD 40 Camaro we did we were able to get it to a neutral steering feel with just our coil overs, and radius rod bushing enhancers.

With your Corvette experience, I am sure you are aware of the setups for th GTR Vette. At the high speed track in NJ, we were able to get Pete's G8 within 1/2 second of their qualifying time there and we were running performance street tires, 275's on all 4 corners. So being able to beat a Z06 at Gingerman should be no problem. We already have the 2 drivers lined up, and are just waiting to for all the engine upgrades, wheels, and 305 tires for all 4 corners. Now a upgraded Z06 suspension, wheels and motor work is a all together different story.

Now we will have to agree to disagree on what the optimum tire combo is in a max performance basis. On our last track testing, we did try splitting the tires, and in fact the corners had more understeer with the larger tires in the back. We did not, however, have the influence of sway bars. That will occur on our next track event.

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Mike, I'm sold, once you let slip on wheel and tire configs, I'm in. But I'm still gonna go with 20's.

when you have time, can you educate me on why wider rears than fronts increases understeer?

I'd like to learn why this happens.

Can't wait to see the details.
We have learned more about the Camaro suspension than all of our other platforms. What poeple need to do is to come up with a total goal first.
I say this because the tires you select have a very serious affect on the overall handling. We have learned this and will be eventually offering 2 different Xa packages to help fine tune the rear to complement the rear tires best as possible. Same thing will go with our sway bars. They tested out great, but we will bump them up and come up with multiple sway bar packages again to match upgrades. We have found that you can over bar the Camaro if you are doing them without upgrading srpings and dampers. What this means is you can reduce your handling, by increasing understeer by doing a front and rear sway bars without other upgrades.

So a master plan that must include a budget, should be done before wheels and tires. I spend a lot of time helping guys thru this product. So far, the really great wheels out there that I have seen so far are pretty pricy.

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