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Old 08-15-2009, 06:28 PM   #51
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The Dyno results on this SS kit will hopefully be next week. This may help..

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37457
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Old 08-15-2009, 06:44 PM   #52
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Why aren't the turbos in the engine bay? It loos like they're by the diff. This is going to have mad lag because it's going to have to pressurize a longer tube, plus the exhaust gasses have more force when being push out of the block. Efficiency is lost by having them at the exhaust tips...
Have one on my 2001 Silverado. The "mad lag" is gone by 1,700 RPM, when the system starts building boost. So, whatcha talking about?
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Old 08-15-2009, 06:55 PM   #53
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i wouldnt even want a twin turbo kit like that one. i dont like remote mounts. sorry
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Old 08-15-2009, 07:05 PM   #54
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Why aren't the turbos in the engine bay? It loos like they're by the diff. This is going to have mad lag because it's going to have to pressurize a longer tube, plus the exhaust gasses have more force when being push out of the block. Efficiency is lost by having them at the exhaust tips...
Contrary to popular belief, this is not true. This system has no intercooler, because it doesn't need one (the exposed, elongated intake pipes actually act like an intercooler), soo...the total volume of the intake pipes is equal to that of a traditional system with a necessary intercooler: minimal lag. As for exhaust pressure...pressure is pressure in a closed system, no matter where it's coming from...
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Old 08-15-2009, 07:16 PM   #55
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Contrary to popular belief, this is not true. This system has no intercooler, because it doesn't need one (the exposed, elongated intake pipes actually act like an intercooler), soo...the total volume of the intake pipes is equal to that of a traditional system with a necessary intercooler: minimal lag. As for exhaust pressure...pressure is pressure in a closed system, no matter where it's coming from...
...AND... if you add an Intercooler, you can safely run about 3 PSI more boost without pinging because it will drop the IATs down from around 195 degrees to near ambient air temp. I did this on my 2001 Silverado with the STS Remote Mount.

Also, I added a Water/Methanol Injection Kit to the STS system and can add another 3 PSI of boost safely, when I arm the injection system.
  • Stock STS Kit: 5 PSI boost
  • Air-to-Air Intercooler added to STS Kit: 8 PSI boost
  • Water/Meth Injection on STS Kit: 11 PSI boost
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Old 08-15-2009, 07:21 PM   #56
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...AND... if you add an Intercooler, you can safely run about 3 PSI more boost without pinging because it will drop the IATs down from around 195 degrees to near ambient air temp. I did this on my 2001 Silverado with the STS Remote Mount.

Also, I added a Water/Methanol Injection Kit to the STS system and can add another 3 PSI of boost safely, when I arm the injection system.
  • Stock STS Kit: 5 PSI boost
  • Air-to-Air Intercooler added to STS Kit: 8 PSI boost
  • Water/Meth Injection on STS Kit: 11 PSI boost

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Old 08-15-2009, 07:51 PM   #57
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Thats my friends car in the video on two guys garage!The car has no engine now as the motor sucked up a lot of water and cracked the block.And yes it was a very big puddle.People who live in Florida can understand how much rain can collect on the ground in such little time.
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Old 08-15-2009, 07:56 PM   #58
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Anyone who disputes the idea needs to know simply this, PRESSURE IS PRESSURE!

If you pressurize a tube 2 inches long versus 24 inches long it doesn't matter.
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Old 08-15-2009, 10:32 PM   #60
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Anyone who disputes the idea needs to know simply this, PRESSURE IS PRESSURE!

If you pressurize a tube 2 inches long versus 24 inches long it doesn't matter.
exactly...the only thing that changes is volume with the size of the tube...you can push more air down a 4 inch pipe versus a 2 inch pipe...now if your talking compression its better to run a smaller diameter tube which in turn creates less work over a longer tube. Make the same length tube bigger in diameter and the energy needed to fill the extra space is created. Pressure is pressure when it comes to length..not so much when it comes to diameters
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Old 08-15-2009, 10:47 PM   #61
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I would much rather have a single turbo that was properly sized or a twin turbo mounted right under the exhaust manifolds.
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Old 08-15-2009, 11:34 PM   #62
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Dont forget to wrap those pipes going back to the turbos, gotta keep the heat in. Also, no LTs, they'll just rob power on a STS setup. It would seem to make more sense to go with a single though, for ease of piping. Stock manifolds into a y-pipe going back to the turbo then the other pipe running alongside the other to the front. Plenty of room for that, plus you could have the wastegate pipe run to the other side of the car and have a tip on it so it still looks like dual exhaust.
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Old 08-15-2009, 11:36 PM   #63
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STS makes a great product. Yes it is different because it is remote mounted, but different does not mean it is bad!!

Keep an open mind to STS, they make a great performing product, and I have driven, and played with, multiple corvettes and 4th Gens with the STS kit, and it was an absolute pleasure.

Some people love Turbos, and some do not, but for those who do....STS is a great product with exceptional results, in my humble opinon.
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Old 08-15-2009, 11:44 PM   #64
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it would have had to have been one hell of a puddle. the STS kits for 4th gen camaros came with splash shields and the intake sat over 1ft off the ground tucked up behind the bumper.
1 foot of water is not that uncommon here in Houston in a big rainstorm. Happens more often than you might think.
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Old 08-16-2009, 12:01 AM   #65
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No heat soke with these bad boys on the rear, friend has a transam with a setup like this
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Old 08-16-2009, 01:04 AM   #66
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[quote] Turbos[quote]

Just messin, raised a few jowls with that one eh?
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Kind of a thread jack....but can someone enlighten me on how rear mounted turbos work?
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Old 08-16-2009, 07:55 AM   #69
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I watched some of those other STS vids on there. Some of those cars sounded like they had airplane turbine engines powering them!!
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1 foot of water is not that uncommon here in Houston in a big rainstorm. Happens more often than you might think.
Yeah we live on top of a huge swamp
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One of the great things about rear mount turbo setup is that you can use almost any variation of exhaust setup and doesn't affect the existing turbo setup. Stock exhaust, headers ( LT's or shorties ), h-pipe or xpipe, etc.. This setup for the SS is a front mount intercooler and the turbos are engine oil fed. If someone wanted to take off the kit ( but why ) then all you have to do is remove it from the car and reinstall your muffs. I am working on a design for a modified intake enclosure/repiping ( for this kit ) to alleviate any excessive water concerns wether it's tire spinoff or if you live in a floodprone area.
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Thats my friends car in the video on two guys garage!The car has no engine now as the motor sucked up a lot of water and cracked the block.And yes it was a very big puddle.People who live in Florida can understand how much rain can collect on the ground in such little time.
yup happened to me last month.
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One of the great things about rear mount turbo setup is that you can use almost any variation of exhaust setup and doesn't affect the existing turbo setup. Stock exhaust, headers ( LT's or shorties )
You dont want LTs, shorties are fine but not LTs. You'll be killing some power and you'll just go back to stock manifolds or shorties anyway.
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