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Old 08-29-2009, 11:45 AM   #18
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I just went from a 98 Z28 to my 2010 SS. I think its night and day, maybe my 4th gen was just worn out. My new SS out handles it in every way, even all my friends were surprised how much better it was even in a bigger car. This may be a poor example, but there is road that I have always pushed my cars to the limit on, its an uphill twisty road with a small straight before a stop sign. I would see what top speed I can hit on it. In my old build up 85 monte carlo I could hit 70-72. My 98 Z28 I could hit about 82-84 and In my new SS I can hit 94, and I have not pushed it as hard as the other two cars yet. So maybe you should look at the speed your carrying while in turns rather than just how it feels.
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Old 08-29-2009, 12:38 PM   #19
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After driving full size police cars and camaros I can tell you technique can make all the difference in the world when it comes to feel and safe handling. It makes a huge difference if you know how to set the car prior to entering a corner and letting the weight shift prior to getting back on the gas. You can make any vehicle feel unstable if you throw off the cars attitude/balance or try to apply the brakes while in a curve. I thought I was a pretty good driver before I went to driving school. Once you get on the track and have a chance to practice the techniques you can really feel it in the seat of your pants and see it on the stop watch. Before the driving school I had not experimented with taking the different lines through the same curve. If you know the road it can have an effect on which line is actually the best to set you up for the next short straight, curve or what ever. You listen to the professional drivers and how they talk about backing up the corner, push and loose. You can put an inexperienced driver in a 5th generation SS auto and put an experienced driver in a 3.8 98 4th generation with 5 speed manual and the experienced driver can beat the inexperienced driver on a road course. The best compliment I've gotten was responding to a call and a have a non police passenger comment on how smooth the car was for the speed we were going. All the 5th generation cars can be dangerous if not treated with respect. Stability control is no substitute for what God put between yours ears. Don't ever drive past 70 to 80% of your ability and for goodness sake don't drink and drive. Use common sense and you can get a great deal of enjoyment and pride out of owning any Camaro especially a new 5th generation!

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Old 08-29-2009, 03:09 PM   #20
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The 5th Gen Camaro handles ALOT BETTER than the 4th gens.
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Old 08-31-2009, 09:06 AM   #21
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The 5th Gen Camaro handles ALOT BETTER than the 4th gens.
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Old 09-01-2009, 10:07 AM   #22
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well, all i can say is that i had a thirdgen camaro with a little 350hp motor, which has an almost identical suspension set-up as a forthgen and that thing had horrible grip in the turns. Straight line performance was decent as it would hook on my launches but cornering was always bad. Both 3rd and 4th gen fbodies utilized torque-arm suspension which technically should have helped in the corners but didnt because of the Solid Rear Axle. The 5th gen uses a 5 link suspension with a Independent Rear Axle. Honestly the 5th gen should perform better in corners with some stiffer sways and strut/shocks.
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Old 09-01-2009, 10:39 AM   #23
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well, all i can say is that i had a thirdgen camaro with a little 350hp motor, which has an almost identical suspension set-up as a forthgen and that thing had horrible grip in the turns. Straight line performance was decent as it would hook on my launches but cornering was always bad. Both 3rd and 4th gen fbodies utilized torque-arm suspension which technically should have helped in the corners but didnt because of the Solid Rear Axle. The 5th gen uses a 5 link suspension with a Independent Rear Axle. Honestly the 5th gen should perform better in corners with some stiffer sways and strut/shocks.
That's nice and all but it lacks factual information.

3rd Gen Iroc-Zs were incredible handlers and pulled .92 on the skid many years ago. I don't understand how you can claim they were horrible when the 'numbers' clearly show otherwise.

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The SRA setup you just made fun of is actually currently deployed in the latest Mustang GT (TP) that is pulling better numbers than the IRS Camaro. SRA != Poor Handling.... IRS != Great Handling... it's simply not black and white.
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Old 09-01-2009, 10:58 AM   #24
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That's nice and all but it lacks factual information.

3rd Gen Iroc-Zs were incredible handlers and pulled .92 on the skid many years ago. I don't understand how you can claim they were horrible when the 'numbers' clearly show otherwise.

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The SRA setup you just made fun of is actually currently deployed in the latest Mustang GT (TP) that is pulling better numbers than the IRS Camaro. SRA != Poor Handling.... IRS != Great Handling... it's simply not black and white.
I dont really care about the "numbers" i care about what i see with my own eyes, and what i feel when im driving a car.


Anyone can claim numbers all day, but it doesnt really matter until you drive a car yourself.


you are correct, the new stangs do employ a torque arm suspension and also there are kits available to turn fox body stangs into torque-arm setups as well and they work great im not denying that, its all about how the parts are made (stamped steel vs tubed or something of that sort) and how the geometry is setup. This type of suspension can be great when utilized correctly.


If you like the older cars suspension feeling, sell your 2010 and get one.

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Old 09-01-2009, 12:06 PM   #25
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I dont really care about the "numbers" i care about what i see with my own eyes, and what i feel when im driving a car.


Anyone can claim numbers all day, but it doesnt really matter until you drive a car yourself.


you are correct, the new stangs do employ a torque arm suspension and also there are kits available to turn fox body stangs into torque-arm setups as well and they work great im not denying that, its all about how the parts are made (stamped steel vs tubed or something of that sort) and how the geometry is setup. This type of suspension can be great when utilized correctly.


If you like the older cars suspension feeling, sell your 2010 and get one.


Was this a base model 3rd gen you had? There were quite a few different models aith a lot of different suspension setups. The ones I have been in, particularly a stock lower mileage 91 Z28 and lower mileage 92 TAs, both handled great, no body roll, and was like they were on rails.
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Old 09-01-2009, 12:07 PM   #26
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The 5th gen SS handles like it's bolted to the road! HUGE improvement over previous gens.
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Old 09-01-2009, 04:33 PM   #27
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I dont really care about the "numbers" i care about what i see with my own eyes, and what i feel when im driving a car.


Anyone can claim numbers all day, but it doesnt really matter until you drive a car yourself.
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Often there is a difference between feeling better (be it faster or better handling) and actually being better. Many will say that lighter cars feel faster or handle better, but numbers can sometimes tell a different story. Generally speaking, it seems to be that the 5th gen doesn't feel as good as it actually is.
I didn't really want to say it again
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Old 09-08-2009, 09:19 PM   #28
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I had a stock RS (L03 305tbi chassis) with good stock components. thats prob why though. Z's were a higher suspension standard (1LE i believe was the code) I would constantly slip out on turns, could have been my combo, just left a bad taste in my mouth.

But like i said, to each his own, i like the new camaro's feel better and quite honestly it could just be because its all new components and maybe the novelty hasn't worn off? i dont know... but just making accusations that the new camaro is horrible handling wise is just not correct...
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Old 09-25-2009, 07:29 PM   #29
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After getting my new 1LT Camaro Wed and putting about 500 miles on it I can comment about the 4th generation compared to the 5th generation handling. I have a base 94 Camaro 3.4 5-M and drove a B4C police package 99 LS1 Camaro auto as a State Police patrol car for about a year and 50,000 miles. My 1LT definitely handles better and rides better than the stock B4C. I really didn't notice the extra weight of the 5th generation camaro in aggressive driving. I've been doing a hard break in on my 1LT like I did on my new police cars. The V-6 runs real strong and with a good driver could probably keep up with a stock LS1 camaro with a less qualified driver. My 1LT sticks in hard cornering better than any car I've ever driven aggressively. For the money I spent on my 1LT I think its great. The V-6 has the kind of performance and handling I was looking for. If you ever driven the older camaro you can tell the 5th generation has the same linage but is more refined with all the new whiz kid tech stuff (cell phone, I-pod, XM radio ect). The fit and finish is better than any GM car I've owned or driven. For its day the B4C was a great car but I believe the 5th generation are superior.

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You think the 4th gen handled better? The 5th gen to me is a thousand time more responsive and handles like a dream.
I actually also think the 4th gens handled better as well. My camaro took cloverleaves at 55 and firebird at 50 (94 vs 98). The 5th gen does em at 46 and wants to break. I notice a lot more body roll- it's higher up. Rides great though and love her.
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