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Old 08-20-2009, 09:44 AM   #1
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Handling 4th v 5th generation

Well, I've had my 5th gen for a little over two weeks now. To me, it handles more like a Lexus than anything else I can think of.

Seems like my 4th gen handled better. Anyone think the same. Anyone have any numbers to compare regarding slalom and skid pad g's.
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Old 08-20-2009, 10:21 AM   #2
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4th gen was just lighter... slalom on the 4th gen is a few ticks behind and skid numbers are fairly close depending on the sources. The biggest hit against the 4th gen was a rough skidpad.... on smooth skids it did really well but on a rough surface the rear would slide out if upset.

4th gen 1LE cars posted .90~.95 (depending on the year/tire options/etc)
4th gen Z28/SS cars posted .86~.88
5th gen V8 cars post .88~.90 (if I missed some higher results please correct me)

Overall it's fairly close on the 'numbers' but in the slalom there is a ~3+mph difference..which shows the 5th gen is really composed in quick transistions versus the 4th gen.

Of course if you change the stock tires off a 4th gen in favor of better rubber it throws the entire comparison out the window... tires make or break these tests.... toss the factory RSAs (245/50R16s) for stickier/wider rubber (the 2010 is packing 275/40ZR20 Pirelli P Zeros for example) and you would increase the numbers for these test. So if you're 4th gen had a tire upgrade that might explain why you would come to that conclusion.
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Old 08-20-2009, 10:27 AM   #3
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thx for the info. Just feels a lot different to me.
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Old 08-20-2009, 10:30 AM   #4
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You think the 4th gen handled better? The 5th gen to me is a thousand time more responsive and handles like a dream.
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Old 08-20-2009, 10:42 AM   #5
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I love the way the car rides a lot better. Its defineitly a more comfy ride especially on bad roads.

When I hit the clover leafs or windy roads I just feel like my old z28 handled better.

I wonder if the issue is that in the 5th gen I just dont feel like I am going as fast as I was in the 4th gen. Maybe I am actually going a lot faster and just dont know it.
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Old 08-20-2009, 10:55 AM   #6
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Ohh, I see what your saying. Yeah, the 4th gen is a lot lower feeling, like you're almost sitting on the floor.
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Old 08-23-2009, 07:37 PM   #7
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I drove a 1999 Police B4C LS1 camaro for a year and put about 50,000 miles on it mostly at highway speeds. I test drove a 5th generation 2LT RS with 19" wheels a couple of weeks ago. It seemed to me the 5th generation had a more refined ride and seemed wider. I drive a 1994 camaro 3.4 5 speed Manual and I found the 1LT/RS was easier to get into but I hit my leg on the steering wheel trying to get out. Overall I was very impressed with the 5th generation camaro and can't wait for the delivery of mine. The B4C I drove was a phenomenal car and was the best year of my police career. The B4C was the best pursuit police car ever produced up to that time. I actually got to use the B4C for what it was designed to do. I'd come out of retirement to drive a 5th generation SS because I think it will be that good of car. I think comparing the 4th generation to 5th generation is like comparing apples to oranges or revolvers to semi autos. I really liked the handling of the 5th generation but its a different car from the 4th generation with some of the same genes. I could tell its a chevy as soon as I sat in one. After hearing the salesman start the V6 I knew I was hooked. I'm buying the 5th generation to replace my daily driver my 94 camaro. I'm getting the auto V-6 because I had 33 plus years of pursuit driving and I need to slow down. Besides on a retirement income the V-6 suits my needs more. After driving a camaro like I was able to at work was like being a fighter pilot flying an F-16 to me. The 5th generation is just a newer more refined car and by this web site appeal is getting a huge loyal fan club. Thanks a lot Camaro 5 forums, your a wealth of knowledge, keep up the good work.


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Old 08-24-2009, 08:12 AM   #8
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I drove a 1999 Police B4C LS1 camaro for a year and put about 50,000 miles on it mostly at highway speeds. I test drove a 5th generation LT 1 RS with 19" wheels a couple of weeks ago. It seemed to me the 5th generation had a more refined ride and seemed wider. I drive a 1994 camaro 3.4 5 speed Manual and I found the 1LT/RS was easier to get into but I hit my leg on the steering wheel trying to get out. Overall I was very impressed with the 5th generation camaro and can't wait for the delivery of mine. The B4C I drove was a phenomenal car and was the best year of my police career. The B4C was the best pursuit police car ever produced up to that time. I actually got to use the B4C for what it was designed to do. I'd come out of retirement to drive a 5th generation SS because I think it will be that good of car. I think comparing the 4th generation to 5th generation is like comparing apples to oranges or revolvers to semi autos. I really liked the handling of the 5th generation but its a different car from the 4th generation with some of the same genes. I could tell its a chevy as soon as I sat in one. After hearing the salesman start the V6 I knew I was hooked. I'm buying the 5th generation to replace my daily driver my 94 camaro. I'm getting the auto V-6 because I had 33 plus years of pursuit driving and I need to slow down. Besides on a retirement income the V-6 suits my needs more. After driving a camaro like I was able to at work was like being a fighter pilot flying an F-16 to me. The 5th generation is just a newer more refined car and by this web site appeal is getting a huge loyal fan club. Thanks a lot Camaro 5 forums, your a wealth of knowledge, keep up the good work.

You might be interested in knowing this but until they release a new B4C or maybe an SRT8 varient for police use the LS1 B4C of old still holds the record for fastest pursuit vehicle. That's with the 160mph speed limiter still intact!
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Old 08-24-2009, 11:09 AM   #9
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I would like to drive the car on a nice set of coilovers. Has too much roll for me in stock form.
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Old 08-24-2009, 03:52 PM   #10
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Sway bars on my Trans Am really had an impact for handling on that car. The ride quality on the other hand, is MUCH better in the 5th gen on imperfect roads.
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Old 08-24-2009, 04:09 PM   #11
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In the couple of 4th gens that I drove, I always felt like they drove like they were on rails. I'd pick a direction I wanted to go and it just went there without any fuss. My 2010 feels less like that and has a smoother ride but I do wish it felt more like the 4th gen did, especially in the curves.

I guess I'd say, to me, the 4th gen was more go-cart like in it's responsiveness and driving characteristics, where as the 5th gen feels more like an all around better handling and smoother riding car, especially on roads in poor condition.
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I love the way the car rides a lot better. Its defineitly a more comfy ride especially on bad roads.

When I hit the clover leafs or windy roads I just feel like my old z28 handled better.

I wonder if the issue is that in the 5th gen I just dont feel like I am going as fast as I was in the 4th gen. Maybe I am actually going a lot faster and just dont know it.

I felt the same way going from a 3rd gen to 4thgen. There was more body roll, and i didn't think it was as stuck as well in the corners. Then i really looked at the speed i was carrying, and finally changed my mind. I do think if you put most of these newer cars on the wheels and tires from 20 years ago you'd have a big drop in skidpad numbers.
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Old 08-24-2009, 04:37 PM   #13
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I felt the same way going from a 3rd gen to 4thgen. There was more body roll, and i didn't think it was as stuck as well in the corners. Then i really looked at the speed i was carrying, and finally changed my mind. I do think if you put most of these newer cars on the wheels and tires from 20 years ago you'd have a big drop in skidpad numbers.
Great point..a lot of people forget that some of the third gen cars were excellent cars in the handling department. If only they had a powerplant like the LTx or LSx to put in them at the time.
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Old 08-28-2009, 12:58 PM   #14
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Im like a car with a stiff suspension. I don't like any body roll..
should I start looking in to coilovers and sway bars for when I pick up camaro?
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Old 08-28-2009, 07:41 PM   #15
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I can't see a stock 5th gen handling better than my 4th gen with the handling upgrades I've done. The 5th gen is just too large and lumbering to be nimble, and its also got huge wheels which don't help.

However the 5th gens still post decent handling numbers, so I'm curious to see what can be done with some basic aftermarket upgrades. Things like coilovers, larger sway bars, poly bushings, ect should really make these things carve corners.
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Often there is a difference between feeling better (be it faster or better handling) and actually being better. Many will say that lighter cars feel faster or handle better, but numbers can sometimes tell a different story. Generally speaking, it seems to be that the 5th gen is doesn't feel as good as it actually is.
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Old 08-29-2009, 04:31 AM   #17
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I was totally suprised at how much body roll the SS has. I'm afraid to take corners fast in it. I've ordered some Eibachs, and I'll probably change the sway bars a little later.
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I just went from a 98 Z28 to my 2010 SS. I think its night and day, maybe my 4th gen was just worn out. My new SS out handles it in every way, even all my friends were surprised how much better it was even in a bigger car. This may be a poor example, but there is road that I have always pushed my cars to the limit on, its an uphill twisty road with a small straight before a stop sign. I would see what top speed I can hit on it. In my old build up 85 monte carlo I could hit 70-72. My 98 Z28 I could hit about 82-84 and In my new SS I can hit 94, and I have not pushed it as hard as the other two cars yet. So maybe you should look at the speed your carrying while in turns rather than just how it feels.
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After driving full size police cars and camaros I can tell you technique can make all the difference in the world when it comes to feel and safe handling. It makes a huge difference if you know how to set the car prior to entering a corner and letting the weight shift prior to getting back on the gas. You can make any vehicle feel unstable if you throw off the cars attitude/balance or try to apply the brakes while in a curve. I thought I was a pretty good driver before I went to driving school. Once you get on the track and have a chance to practice the techniques you can really feel it in the seat of your pants and see it on the stop watch. Before the driving school I had not experimented with taking the different lines through the same curve. If you know the road it can have an effect on which line is actually the best to set you up for the next short straight, curve or what ever. You listen to the professional drivers and how they talk about backing up the corner, push and loose. You can put an inexperienced driver in a 5th generation SS auto and put an experienced driver in a 3.8 98 4th generation with 5 speed manual and the experienced driver can beat the inexperienced driver on a road course. The best compliment I've gotten was responding to a call and a have a non police passenger comment on how smooth the car was for the speed we were going. All the 5th generation cars can be dangerous if not treated with respect. Stability control is no substitute for what God put between yours ears. Don't ever drive past 70 to 80% of your ability and for goodness sake don't drink and drive. Use common sense and you can get a great deal of enjoyment and pride out of owning any Camaro especially a new 5th generation!

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The 5th Gen Camaro handles ALOT BETTER than the 4th gens.
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The 5th Gen Camaro handles ALOT BETTER than the 4th gens.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:07 AM   #22
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well, all i can say is that i had a thirdgen camaro with a little 350hp motor, which has an almost identical suspension set-up as a forthgen and that thing had horrible grip in the turns. Straight line performance was decent as it would hook on my launches but cornering was always bad. Both 3rd and 4th gen fbodies utilized torque-arm suspension which technically should have helped in the corners but didnt because of the Solid Rear Axle. The 5th gen uses a 5 link suspension with a Independent Rear Axle. Honestly the 5th gen should perform better in corners with some stiffer sways and strut/shocks.
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well, all i can say is that i had a thirdgen camaro with a little 350hp motor, which has an almost identical suspension set-up as a forthgen and that thing had horrible grip in the turns. Straight line performance was decent as it would hook on my launches but cornering was always bad. Both 3rd and 4th gen fbodies utilized torque-arm suspension which technically should have helped in the corners but didnt because of the Solid Rear Axle. The 5th gen uses a 5 link suspension with a Independent Rear Axle. Honestly the 5th gen should perform better in corners with some stiffer sways and strut/shocks.
That's nice and all but it lacks factual information.

3rd Gen Iroc-Zs were incredible handlers and pulled .92 on the skid many years ago. I don't understand how you can claim they were horrible when the 'numbers' clearly show otherwise.

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The SRA setup you just made fun of is actually currently deployed in the latest Mustang GT (TP) that is pulling better numbers than the IRS Camaro. SRA != Poor Handling.... IRS != Great Handling... it's simply not black and white.
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That's nice and all but it lacks factual information.

3rd Gen Iroc-Zs were incredible handlers and pulled .92 on the skid many years ago. I don't understand how you can claim they were horrible when the 'numbers' clearly show otherwise.

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The SRA setup you just made fun of is actually currently deployed in the latest Mustang GT (TP) that is pulling better numbers than the IRS Camaro. SRA != Poor Handling.... IRS != Great Handling... it's simply not black and white.
I dont really care about the "numbers" i care about what i see with my own eyes, and what i feel when im driving a car.


Anyone can claim numbers all day, but it doesnt really matter until you drive a car yourself.


you are correct, the new stangs do employ a torque arm suspension and also there are kits available to turn fox body stangs into torque-arm setups as well and they work great im not denying that, its all about how the parts are made (stamped steel vs tubed or something of that sort) and how the geometry is setup. This type of suspension can be great when utilized correctly.


If you like the older cars suspension feeling, sell your 2010 and get one.

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I dont really care about the "numbers" i care about what i see with my own eyes, and what i feel when im driving a car.


Anyone can claim numbers all day, but it doesnt really matter until you drive a car yourself.


you are correct, the new stangs do employ a torque arm suspension and also there are kits available to turn fox body stangs into torque-arm setups as well and they work great im not denying that, its all about how the parts are made (stamped steel vs tubed or something of that sort) and how the geometry is setup. This type of suspension can be great when utilized correctly.


If you like the older cars suspension feeling, sell your 2010 and get one.


Was this a base model 3rd gen you had? There were quite a few different models aith a lot of different suspension setups. The ones I have been in, particularly a stock lower mileage 91 Z28 and lower mileage 92 TAs, both handled great, no body roll, and was like they were on rails.
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