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Old 09-09-2009, 10:38 AM   #15
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No it was an AMG I know cars, so theres no need to act like you guys know everything and everyone else is wrong. Sorry I looked at total weight, an honest mistake. The fact is the car still wasn't moving that great and wasn't as nimble. So having 25 more hp and weighing 100 lbs more isn't quite the advantage when moving like we were. If the guy couldn't drive sorry for him but he was hitting all the ins and outs just the same.

My point is, its a nice sedan but I don't think it runs as nice as a nice coupe which is what the Camaro is. Given they are about the same in performance. having 23 more TQ and 25 more hp and weighing 65 lbs more doesn't mean its just flat out a better performer and can't be beat by a stock Camaro, when more then likely it was a stock AMG also.


It runs much better than the Camaro even in ''coupe'' form. Its faster in a straight line, and even though its only about +30hp +25lbft the car runs much stronger than the numbers would suggest and (like noted above) with a $400 tune your going to be running M5's and CTS-V's off the road. On top of that its more nimble with better steering, which I can personally confirm.


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WAIT A MINTUE so now EVERY driver in the REAL WORLD like you put it are going to go out and get the same results as professional drivers? Why don't you find real world people who drive these cars and let me know what they are getting out of these cars. This the GT500 VS SS debate all over again. I simply give you an encounterment I had and you flat out tell me I'm wrong and it didn't happen. Right because the GT500 ran a 12.8 by one mag and another got a 11.9 so normal everyday drivers of this car are gonna get the best results. Who are you kidding, I'm not claiming to be a pro driver and I'm claiming the guy that was running with me was one either so why is it so hard for you to believe that the average person driving these cars can't beat one another?

Id venture to say that people who OWN the car and are USED to running it are going to be doing a better job than a journalist who gets the car for 3 hours. I dont believe you could have beat him because the BEST numbers for the SS still loose to the WORST numbers for the AMG.

So once again I'm going by MY experience and you want ME to go by what your MAG puts out. Thats like going and test driving a car and doing what you are capable of but ignoring that fact because a pro driver says it can do better. That may be the truth but thats what the select few will be able to do with it not the masses so thats not a true representation of what the car will do in most people hands.

Im not trying to convince you, im trying to prove to the OP that your wrong for the sake of his comparison.

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Old 09-09-2009, 10:38 AM   #16
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Old 09-09-2009, 10:43 AM   #17
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put Equal drivers in both cars and the C63 wins
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Old 09-09-2009, 10:44 AM   #18
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It runs much better than the Camaro even in ''coupe'' form. Its faster in a straight line, and even though its only about +30hp +25lbft the car runs much stronger than the numbers would suggest and (like noted above) with a $400 tune your going to be running M5's and CTS-V's off the road. On top of that its more nimble with better steering, which I can personally confirm.
What part of this stock do you not understand. Why do you keep bringing up a tune. I never said anything about tuning or dynoing it. I'm talking about taking it out in stock form. It's a DRIVER'S race, whats so hard to understand about that. ohhhh forget it. Love the C 63 and be blind to everything I have presented it makes no diff to me. It's a great car, lets leave it at that.
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Old 09-09-2009, 10:46 AM   #19
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What part of this stock do you not understand. Why do you keep bringing up a tune. I never said anything about tuning or dynoing it. I'm talking about taking it out in stock form. It's a DRIVER'S race, whats so hard to understand about that. ohhhh forget it. Love the C 63 and be blind to everything I have presented it makes no diff to me. It's a great car, lets leave it at that.

Its not a drivers race. Like I said before, the worst numbers for the AMG are still better than the best for the SS.


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Old 09-09-2009, 10:48 AM   #20
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benchracing....ohhhh yeah!!!!

put Equal drivers in both cars and the C63 wins
I agree junkie and I never once said the C63 loses to the Camaro everytime or anything along those lines. I simply stated an encounter I had with one and then Zeus and Cowley went off with all the benchracing stats. I just providing stats in my post to make a point that the numbers aren't that far off each other and depending on who is driving is the difference. Thats all I was saying. More then less I just wanted to express my experience against one. Thats all I'm saying, there was no need for Crowley or Zeus to start the attacks on me.
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Old 09-09-2009, 10:50 AM   #21
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I agree junkie and I never once said the C63 loses to the Camaro everytime or anything along those lines. I simply stated an encounter I had with one and then Zeus and Cowley went off with all the benchracing stats. I just providing stats in my post to make a point that the numbers aren't that far off each other and depending on who is driving is the difference. Thats all I was saying. More then less I just wanted to express my experience against one. Thats all I'm saying, there was no need for Crowley or Zeus to start the attacks on me.
No attacks here, unless the truth hurts. Like I noted before, I was chiming in for the sake of the OP who wanted an honest comparison.
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No attacks here, unless the truth hurts. Like I noted before, I was chiming in for the sake of the OP who wanted an honest comparison.
The truth is you want to keep talking about racing in a straight line when I already stated from my very first post that we were on the highway moving in and out of traffic. So all your straight-line numbers and not factoring in any other variables doesn't mean jack if one person can't handle the car like another car handles their's. Power means nothing when you just can't only drive in a straight line. WHAT'S SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND about my story. IT WASN'T FROM A DIG and it wasn't straight line driving.
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No it was an AMG I know cars, so theres no need to act like you guys know everything and everyone else is wrong. Sorry I looked at total weight, an honest mistake. The fact is the car still wasn't moving that great and wasn't as nimble. So having 25 more hp and weighing 100 lbs more isn't quite the advantage when moving like we were. If the guy couldn't drive sorry for him but he was hitting all the ins and outs just the same.

My point is, its a nice sedan but I don't think it runs as nice as a nice coupe which is what the Camaro is. Given they are about the same in performance. having 23 more TQ and 25 more hp and weighing 65 lbs more doesn't mean its just flat out a better performer and can't be beat by a stock Camaro, when more then likely it was a stock AMG also.
I thought C-63 AMG's were $189k I know CLS-63's are $200k and the only difference between a C series & CLS series is a CLS is a sedan & the C is a coupe. E-55 AMG's are $58k, maybe it was a E series AMG ?
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I thought C-63 AMG's were $189k I know CLS-63's are $200k and the only difference between a C series & CLS series is a CLS is a sedan & the C is a coupe. E-55 AMG's are $58k, maybe it was a E series AMG ?
C63 AMG Base MSRP 53k

But on average you'll see them at 60k+ with options and because they are a rare car they get marked up a bit.
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Isn't the C63 an automatic? How hard is it to floor the gas pedal?

Now don't take this comment to encompass all Mercedes owners, but most I see are stuck-up looking girls or dorks who need that three point emblem for their status.

Camaro looks better IMO anyway.
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