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Old 07-19-2008, 08:40 PM   #51
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I know you're not alone in this assumption. And I can't wait wait for them to release pricing, and prove you guys wrong by thousands of dollars!!

I hope you don't let me down, because i am trusting you.

I think you know something we dont.
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Old 07-19-2008, 08:42 PM   #52
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Weight isn't a big point if they engineered the car to handle it properly. There's many vehicles that are 'overweight', but don't feel like it. And besides the point, there's not much you can do about it. (ie saftey regs, etc...)
Like the Nissan GT-R!
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Old 07-19-2008, 09:03 PM   #53
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My 2009 Corvette is going to be built in one week in Bowling Green, Kentucky, USA, by American workers and an American company.

I was a 5th gen fanatic until the curb weight was leaked. Believe what you want about the weight, the facts will be out soon.

They did not magically remove a bunch of weight from the Zeta platform when they designed the Camaro around it.

The Canadian CAW has handled themselves poorly IMO. Blockading GM offices? Bye bye!

They also are not going to magically cut the $40,000 G8 GXP price by too much for a similarly equipped Camaro SS. Maybe $38000?

The Camaro is a great looking car inside and out and I'm sure it will be a hoot to drive.

Just not for me, to each his own.

Take care, and enjoy.
Can't argue with that decision. The Corvette is the Camaro's big brother!

Two reasons the Camaro always makes sense for me. Four seats let me cart the family around better and well to be honest they cost less than Corvettes.

With respect to the Camaro's weight, we all have to remember we are not talking about an expensive exotic. This is a car that in base form will be priced competitively with the Malibu. Hell you could option out a Cobalt SS that would exceed the base Camaro's price (I'm speculating since we don't have final pricing but I'm guessing I'm correct on this).

Additionally one can NOT compare the weight of this car to cars from 10, 20 or 30 years ago. The government mandates crash worthiness (adds weight). Consumers, with few exceptions demand comforts such as AC, PW, PL and powerful sound systems (all add weight). Since 75-80% of customers order these options, it is cheaper to equip all vehicles with them. I have no doubt that without the above, GM could produce a 3,000lb/400 hp Camaro for $25-30 grand.

And lastly, let's not forget the Camaro is roughly 200-400 lbs lighter than the Challenger. Hell it compares to the GT-R with it's carbon fiber this and that.

I'll end my time on the soapbox with this, GOOD JOB GM TEAM!!
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Old 07-20-2008, 01:28 AM   #54
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I won't try to convince you to buy one or even wait. The 'Vette is a great car, and I wish you many years with it.


Weight isn't a big point if they engineered the car to handle it properly. There's many vehicles that are 'overweight', but don't feel like it. And besides the point, there's not much you can do about it. (ie saftey regs, etc...)


I know you're not alone in this assumption. And I can't wait wait for them to release pricing, and prove you guys wrong by thousands of dollars!!
Well said!

and Camaro5, congratulations on the vette purchase!!!!
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Old 07-20-2008, 01:46 AM   #55
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The disappointing thing about the weight is the number of people who are blaming it on the Camaro Team and the GM engineers. The problem is the general public, they demand safety (can't blame them) They won't buy a car without a 4 or 5 star crash rating and are constantly pushing for stricter safety regulations.
Also, cars that don't have all the creature comforts get crossed off peoples lists pretty quick.
If you want to see lighter cars start telling your family and friends to quit worrying about safety and features when choosing a car. I am sure GM did all they could to keep the weight down at the price point.
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The disappointing thing about the weight is the number of people who are blaming it on the Camaro Team and the GM engineers. The problem is the general public, they demand safety (can't blame them) They won't buy a car without a 4 or 5 star crash rating and are constantly pushing for stricter safety regulations.
Also, cars that don't have all the creature comforts get crossed off peoples lists pretty quick.
If you want to see lighter cars start telling your family and friends to quit worrying about safety and features when choosing a car. I am sure GM did all they could to keep the weight down at the price point.
I think owning a 1 star crash saftey rating car would be awesome. Then when chicks see you in you're low-weight sports car you can say "Yeah it's the most bad-ass car around. Every time I go to a stop-light, theres a 1 in 4 chance I die." Then they think you're a bad boy, and that's that!
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Old 07-20-2008, 12:07 PM   #57
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Before anyone else makes any quick decisions (not that I don't like vettes, Camaro5...GREAT choice!!!) hold off just a little bit longer to hear what the weight is really going to be FROM GM!!!!! The "estimates" you read about are just that...estimates!!! I
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Old 07-20-2008, 12:18 PM   #58
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Old 07-20-2008, 12:54 PM   #59
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TAG UR IT is right, if even the resident alarmist is saying wait till Monday....I mean, well....WAIT TILL MONDAY!

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I think owning a 1 star crash saftey rating car would be awesome. Then when chicks see you in you're low-weight sports car you can say "Yeah it's the most bad-ass car around. Every time I go to a stop-light, theres a 1 in 4 chance I die." Then they think you're a bad boy, and that's that!
Not true friend, just cause it's light does not mean it has poor safety. Again, sorry for blowing the RX8 trumpet (I do own one and really like it) again but it gets 4-5 star and it comes in under 3000 to just a bit over so it's very possible to make it safe and light.

WITH that said, someone with a better handle of the Camaro history, can you tell me how the demensions over the years has changed for the Camaro? I know it's a larger car than my RX8 that is for sure (hopefully inside also) but IF...IF....AGAIN, IF MT was right with the weight can it be that the Camaro has grown too large?

Just wondering out loud before TAG UR IT bans me....lol.
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Old 07-20-2008, 01:53 PM   #60
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Well guys. I think the curb weight of the 5th Gen Camaro is the most important variable about the car and will determine how well it sells.
So, yes. I think it should be a sticky.

If it weighs much more than a C5, rear seats would be the only reason anyone would buy a 5th Gen Camaro over a used C5 or C6.
I somewhat disagree. I want a 5th gen over a C5 because the C5 is wayyy too outdated. C5 just doesn't do anything for me. I have looked into used C6's and I can afford one, but that didn't fly too well with the wife since she would never be able to go cruising with me. (I got a toddler to tote around)

So....you're right in regards to C6. I disagree with C5.
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Old 07-21-2008, 04:13 PM   #61
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So the SS Camaro is 3860 lb. with the Six-speed
and the SS Auto is 3913 lb.

So the Camaro got the Challenger by 292 lb.
??Anyone no the curb weight of the 2010 Mustang??

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Thanks Tag - You guys are a class act!

I just wanted to say that I feel some heartache in regards to not buying a Camaro at launch. I may buy one a little later because I still love it.


Enjoy this great day of information, and enjoy your Camaros. We need more smiling in this country, and Chevrolet has succeeded in providing more smiles per mile.
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Old 07-21-2008, 04:51 PM   #63
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Thanks Tag - You guys are a class act!

I just wanted to say that I feel some heartache in regards to not buying a Camaro at launch. I may buy one a little later because I still love it.


Enjoy this great day of information, and enjoy your Camaros. We need more smiling in this country, and Chevrolet has succeeded in providing more smiles per mile.
Have you even looked at the Z06? You can STEAL an '07 now -- if you can deal with the whole "used" thing.....
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Old 07-21-2008, 04:59 PM   #64
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Have you even looked at the Z06? You can STEAL an '07 now -- if you can deal with the whole "used" thing.....
Now is the best time to buy any Corvette except the ZR1.

I like ordering it with the exact options and colors I want.

The Z06 is an incredible car but, with the LS3 at 436hp, it's only down 69hp.

I test drove the LS3 coupe and WOW! I don't need any more power, never thought I'd say that. Controlled explosion!

If I ever want more, a simple tune, exhaust, intake will yield 500hp plus. Same thing for LS3 equipped Camaros.
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:01 PM   #65
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Really disapointed

The car looks wonderfull. I dont beleive i have seen pics of the ss with the 20inch wheels which would make it even better. But 3860 pounds for the 6 speed ss are you joking? And i know it was going to come with a independant rear but i was wishing for a solid rear. If the weight would have come in at 3500 at had a solid rear i would have sold my cobra and bought 2. Now ill just keep my cobra and buy a 09 c6 maybe a used z06 if i can find a decent used one
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If you're looking for an unsophisticated car with a 30 year old rear end...keep the Mustang I guess.

Oh and you're prospective Vette has IRS, you realize that, right?
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Regarding weight.....

Did GM say that was a "dry weight?"

Or, was that with ... everything...??

I'm sorry, but that wasn't clear.

Maybe a question to ask?

Because it's something I would like to know.
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If you're looking for an unsophisticated car with a 30 year old rear end...keep the Mustang I guess.

Oh and you're prospective Vette has IRS, you realize that, right?
yes i have worked on cars for almost 20 years. The thing about the vette is it weighs 3000-3200 pounds which is alot easier on a irs
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Not sure how working on cars for 20 years validates your point.
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The car looks wonderfull. I dont beleive i have seen pics of the ss with the 20inch wheels which would make it even better. But 3860 pounds for the 6 speed ss are you joking? And i know it was going to come with a independant rear but i was wishing for a solid rear. If the weight would have come in at 3500 at had a solid rear i would have sold my cobra and bought 2. Now ill just keep my cobra and buy a 09 c6 maybe a used z06 if i can find a decent used one

well...I guess you can't quite have your cake and eat it too??

trust me, I'm not mechanic and correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it true that within the last 30 years, Automotive Engineers have been able to figure out how to make big fast cars weigh less with different types of metal....??? perhaps??
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well...I guess you can't quite have your cake and eat it too??

trust me, I'm not mechanic and correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it true that within the last 30 years, Automotive Engineers have been able to figure out how to make big fast cars weigh less with different types of metal....??? perhaps??
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Whatever it is, I'm sure its the standard that all cars use when describing weight.
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the automatic car is 53 pounds heavier????

I must say i am severely disappointed in the cars weight. gas is $4 a gallon. if the V8 gets 15/23 mpg, remember that is even with cylinder deactivation. and that 23 is if you hold steady at 55 mph. what about 65-70? 20 mpg?
i remember when the mustang gt 500 came out at 13 pounds shy of 4,000 i mocked it.
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Yep i knew this car would be similar in weight to its competition. But guess what? That means my challenger will actually be competitive yeyyyyy. I love competition.
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Then maybe the mocking should stop...ever care to wonder why weight is so "out of hand"? Is it because engineers across the board got lazy? Is it because everyone is content to build heavy cars?

Maybe there's something more...something like saftey standards that, imo, are out of hand. Maybe there's millions of people who judge a car by its gadgetry, and yet further...maybe it's the wild quest for horsepower that is driving up the power-handling requirements! What would most of you here say to a 3500lb, V6-ONLY Camaro that performed just as well as this one will? Heresy? Blasphemous? "Not a Camaro"?

hmmm...Challenger, GT500(and no doubt soon the rest of the 'stangs), Camaro, GTR (yes, GTR)....something is telling me very loudly that weight is going up across the board...and not just Camaro. Having sat and thought about this for a while, I retract ALL my comments made about the Challenger being a 'Pig'. It's vuloptuous.

I still say that the Camaro won't feel like it weighs as much as it does. The G8 is getting alcolades even though it weights more, and so will the Camaro. Moreso than the G8 I'd say, due to it's performance-orientation. Just don't look at the numbers only and decide it's an underperforming "pig".
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