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Old 09-22-2009, 08:38 AM   #15
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I dont think a lot of guys will have the balls to send their stuff off. Either A they they dont know what theyre product can do and dont want to find out. And or B that they know they just whipped something together for a quick 300 bucks off of somebody
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Old 09-22-2009, 08:41 AM   #16
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Just tracked the ADM number posted earlier in the thread... it shows delivery in one (1) day, so hopefully they don't wait for all the units to arrive before testing!
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Old 09-22-2009, 08:44 AM   #17
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OK, we Have, Revolution and ADM on the Way who else is going to step up to the plate?

To answer some of the questions here is a link to my Dyno cell Designed and built by myself with some guidance from Superflow back in 02, the pictures are old and paint and upgrades are constant.

http://www.jannettyracing.com/dynotuningct.shtml

I have 38,000 Cubic Feet per Minute, or 90 tons of air per minute coming in to the dyno room to similate on road driving.

That is a 4 foot diameter pipe with a tapered 3 ft diameter nozzel, air exits the pipe at 60 mph.

My Superflow dyno is a fully loaded system that has 48 inputs for sensors of my choice, temps, pressures, electrical, weather station, tach, speedo, you name it.

I am excited to see who is who in cold air kits.
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Old 09-22-2009, 09:04 AM   #18
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Where are the other guys???? Do they think they are too good to have their CAI tested by an outside source? I was looking at several different systems and decided to go with Andy's at ADM Performance. Andy is very sure of his product and I think it is in the top 2 out of 10 or so that are out there in the looks department.
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Old 09-22-2009, 09:23 AM   #19
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What will the AFR be, As not all units work at the same AFR #, And you can not go from OEM to CAI and not drive the car as much as 150 MI to go back to the OEM AFR, As this computer takes a long time to learn, and if you remove the battery cable you still need to drive the car at list 100 mi to get the ecm back to where it was before you put the last CAI on the car.

And how do you know if the units are going to give you timing or pull the timing on the deferent units so there are so many ways to do this that it dos not work, If you billd a unit to lean out the AFM then you will get a high HP # but you will blow up the ls3 if the ECM puts timing in.

more to came as i have to go.
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Old 09-22-2009, 09:29 AM   #20
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Old 09-22-2009, 09:50 AM   #21
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What will the AFR be, As not all units work at the same AFR #, And you can not go from OEM to CAI and not drive the car as much as 150 MI to go back to the OEM AFR, As this computer takes a long time to learn, and if you remove the battery cable you still need to drive the car at list 100 mi to get the ecm back to where it was before you put the last CAI on the car.

And how do you know if the units are going to give you timing or pull the timing on the deferent units so there are so many ways to do this that it dos not work, If you billd a unit to lean out the AFM then you will get a high HP # but you will blow up the ls3 if the ECM puts timing in.

more to came as i have to go.
I think this is actually going to be a valid test on the basis of simplicity. It will show "If I bolt this thing in what will it do immediately". This is the worst case scenario of what it will do, as you pointed out the ECM is going to make adjustments over time which would improve the results.

So whatever units are tested, the results will show the immediate gains relative to one another, and for certain units the results may improve over time but at least people will know what the minimum improvement will be.
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Old 09-22-2009, 10:06 AM   #23
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I think this is actually going to be a valid test on the basis of simplicity. It will show "If I bolt this thing in what will it do immediately". This is the worst case scenario of what it will do, as you pointed out the ECM is going to make adjustments over time which would improve the results.

So whatever units are tested, the results will show the immediate gains relative to one another, and for certain units the results may improve over time but at least people will know what the minimum improvement will be.
I don't care what happens immediately. I care about how it will perform in the long run. I want to see how performance changes after the ECU has adjusted over time. One unit may perform better than another 5 minutes into testing, but after 100 miles you may have a completely different story. I don't know about you, but I prefer the latter.

Ted, thanks for doing this. I hope most of the vendors participate. Being as detailed as you are, I'm sure you'll be documenting the entire testing process and trying your best to keep all conditions the same for all tests.
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Old 09-22-2009, 10:06 AM   #24
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OK, we Have, Revolution and ADM on the Way who else is going to step up to the plate?

To answer some of the questions here is a link to my Dyno cell Designed and built by myself with some guidance from Superflow back in 02, the pictures are old and paint and upgrades are constant.

http://www.jannettyracing.com/dynotuningct.shtml

I have 38,000 Cubic Feet per Minute, or 90 tons of air per minute coming in to the dyno room to similate on road driving.

That is a 4 foot diameter pipe with a tapered 3 ft diameter nozzel, air exits the pipe at 60 mph.

My Superflow dyno is a fully loaded system that has 48 inputs for sensors of my choice, temps, pressures, electrical, weather station, tach, speedo, you name it.

I am excited to see who is who in cold air kits.


Hey Ted, will you be testing both the L99 And the LS3?
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Old 09-22-2009, 10:12 AM   #25
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I don't care what happens immediately. I care about how it will perform in the long run. I want to see how performance changes after the ECU has adjusted over time. One unit may perform better than another 5 minutes into testing, but after 100 miles you may have a completely different story. I don't know about you, but I prefer the latter.

Ted, thanks for doing this. I hope most of the vendors participate. Being as detailed as you are, I'm sure you'll be documenting the entire testing process and trying your best to keep all conditions the same for all tests.
Then put away your pitchforks! He's offering a testing service that no other place is willing to do. It's a fair comparison.

Or... would you prefer he drives over 1,000 miles (100+ for each CAI)?

Sometimes the silliness of this board gets to me.
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Then put away your pitchforks! He's offering a testing service that no other place is willing to do. It's a fair comparison.

Or... would you prefer he drives over 1,000 miles (100+ for each CAI)?

Sometimes the silliness of this board gets to me.
I'm going to ignore your last line. You obviously didn't understand what I said.

I'm not saying this test is useless or that I don't appreciate him doing this. I'm simply pointing out that for a true comparison, the ECU needs to be "broken in". I can't say I know how long this process takes. Ten miles or 100 miles, who knows?

Yes, you will see what the gains are right off the bat, but it will not be representative of what owners will see over the life of their unit. Still, this will be a good test to weed out the CAI's that really don't do anything but look good.
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We did two back to back pulls to get accurate results. As for the hood being closed, we have done dyno testing that proved a difference of less than 2hp, which is standing still on the dyno. If you have a CAI system on your car already and would like to bring it to our shop, I will make two back to back pulls with the system currently on your car and then install our CAI system and to prove ours is the best on the market today.
Second CAI on the dyno won the test here without driving it... I'm sure the similar location of both MAFs may have helped.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36533

I'd get rid of the stock box and put some miles on with the first CAI... then use those settings since they will no doubt be closer across the board than stock would be. JMHO...
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