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Old 07-22-2008, 11:49 PM   #226
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i read in a road&trip magazine that the z28 is coming after the convertible so prob janurary of 2010 the z28 comes out but i cant w8 to c wut its gunna look like its gunna b sick nd the z28 is gunna b in the high 30k range BUT 500HP OR MORE THATS CRAZY!!!
road and track don't have the best track record for having accurate info
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Old 07-22-2008, 11:59 PM   #227
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Way to ruin a great car GM. Lt/LS/SS? this isnt a mfin trail blazer. this a camaro z28,ss,rs,rsss. I guess ill be buying a shelby gt500 now. thx for letting me know now so i can order one sooner.
Calm down - the labels don't show up anywhere on a car.......

and if that's all it takes to make you want to buy a Mustang.........I'm very concerned for your well-being!
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Old 07-23-2008, 12:00 AM   #228
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Calm down - the labels don't show up anywhere on a car.......

and if that's all it takes to make you want to buy a Mustang.........I'm very concerned for your well-being!
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Old 07-23-2008, 12:01 AM   #229
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so Uh 23mpg is supposed to be good? a gen 4 gets better milage dose it not? I know a 10 year vette gets better milage. when the webcast started and he gleefuly stated 26mpg.......... for the V6. I knew it was going to be bad news.
No -- the U.S. government changed the way EPA fuel economy is calculated (for the 2008 model year)-- if you liked the fuel economy that the LS1 cars got -- you'll LOVE what the L99 ACTUALLY gets on the highway.......
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Old 07-23-2008, 12:02 AM   #230
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Extremely disappointed with the unveiling because we didn't really find out anything we didn't already know. Where is my Z28 and where is the good fuel mileage we were promised??

well-- there would have been a lot to learn had the info. not leaked over the weekend..........
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Old 07-23-2008, 12:03 AM   #231
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they're pretty neat. a darker shade of red. scott yelled at me at the focus group because i put the hazards on two of the cars, one RS, one not, to compare.
I DID????
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if you liked the fuel economy that the LS1 cars got -- you'll LOVE what the L99 ACTUALLY gets on the highway.......
So they're being conservative(underestimating) the numbers?
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Old 07-23-2008, 12:16 AM   #233
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no ****ing way the colors suck they are all dark. You guys might wanna punch me straight in the face for saying this but with those colors it ain't going to.

You're so right -- esp. the YELLOW and the ORANGE and the VICTORY RED and the WHITE..........and let's not forget the SILVER -- dear GOD would someone PLEASE turn on a light in here!!!!

(j/k) -- but please watch your language........
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Old 07-23-2008, 12:18 AM   #234
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So let me get this strait. If you get the SS w/ TAP shift auto transmission, you lose 22hp?!?!?! Thats just pure !!!!! There is no other car where you lose that much power by chosing the auto! Also, 23mpg? Hmmmm, I was expecting more along the lines of 26-28mpg. Also, it takes Premium fuel Everythig else is
the Auto has active fuel management -- but trust me -- the performance between the auto and the manual is very close!
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Old 07-23-2008, 12:20 AM   #235
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sorry all -- I could only get to page 6 -- and it's 1:17am -- will try to get to the rest later this week!

Keep the faith!

(and sorry if I sound a bit 'flip' with some of you -- but I'm quite tired after a long week thusfar!)

(but I STILL can't get the smile off my face after yesterday's event at Royal Oak!)
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Old 07-23-2008, 12:21 AM   #236
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You finally put Shunt out of his misery?

EDIT: See the picture I picked out of the bunch for an explanation or PM me if you don't get it.
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Old 07-23-2008, 12:25 AM   #237
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60 mph & quarter-mile numbers

From edmunds: "Chevy's Camaro SS outfitted with the 422-hp 6.2-liter LS3 V8 six-speed manual hits 60 mph in 4.9 seconds and runs a 13.4-second quarter-mile at 108 mph according to Oppenheiser. Strangely enough, Oppenheiser also claims that the automatic-equipped SS Camaro, which is rated at 400 hp, runs from zero to 60 mph in just 4.6 seconds and through the quarter-mile in 13.3 seconds. "We optimized the shift points," he said."

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Old 07-23-2008, 12:31 AM   #238
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Old 07-23-2008, 12:56 AM   #239
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4.9 S 0 to 60 for the SS hmmm that's funny the Mustang GT does that too with a 100 ponies less lol...must be the obese weight of the maro sorry I am just not impressed with 3900 pounds + for the SS
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Old 07-23-2008, 01:05 AM   #240
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4.9 S 0 to 60 for the SS hmmm that's funny the Mustang GT does that too with a 100 ponies less lol...must be the obese weight of the maro sorry I am just not impressed with 3900 pounds + for the SS
I hear ya. However the V8 automatic was clocked at 4.6, so there is still hope
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Old 07-23-2008, 01:13 AM   #241
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You're so right -- esp. the YELLOW and the ORANGE and the VICTORY RED and the WHITE..........and let's not forget the SILVER -- dear GOD would someone PLEASE turn on a light in here!!!!

(j/k) -- but please watch your language........
white and silver are not colors they are non-color! Red Yellow Orange are BRIGHT not light. Ralleye green is light, Robins egg blue is considered light.
Light is now on.
And yes please watch the language it is getting rough in a couple of threads.
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Old 07-23-2008, 05:08 AM   #242
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sorry all -- I could only get to page 6 -- and it's 1:17am -- will try to get to the rest later this week!

Keep the faith!

(and sorry if I sound a bit 'flip' with some of you -- but I'm quite tired after a long week thusfar!)

(but I STILL can't get the smile off my face after yesterday's event at Royal Oak!)

Scott, nothing personal here, but I think I speak for many when I say the California presentation Sheryl put on was far more interesting and informative than the 2 Ed's dissertation on how great Chevy is as a brand. It's almost as if they forgot there was a real Camaro in the room.

To be honest, I was expecting a little more pomp and cirmcumstance.....

A full scale presentation at the Cobo. Two big video screens showing the history of the Camaro before the unveiling, put to some great classic rock tunes.

And the car, being driven by any one of you (Bob Lutz gets to drive too many of the unveiled cars, you guys deserve a little spotlight), comes crashing through a sheet of glass and on to the stage.

Instead we get some hum drum garage (yes, I know the garage has history, but it looked like my Grandparent's garage) and the 2 Eds with lots of blah blah blah not related to the Camaro.

Come on. I know you guys can do alot better.
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Old 07-23-2008, 10:05 AM   #243
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^ I think a lot of us agree it wasn't as flashy as we'd hoped.

But Fbodfather already stated that they didn't have the budget to put on a big show. Which is understandable given everthing GM is doing to realign with the auto market. I don't think they are happy with the show either. I'm sure they all wanted the Concept reveal for the production car.

Just my thoughs. I'm prepared to cut them some slack. Times are changin'. Good news is GM's stock is up.
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Old 07-23-2008, 12:11 PM   #244
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white and silver are not colors they are non-color!
'Non-color' would be transparent or translucent.

By your reasoning, Black is also a 'non-color'. And, as I explained once before, Black would be the only TRUE 'non-color' since it doesn't reflect ANY of the various spectrums(colors) of light.

White and Silver are colors. Always have been, always will be.
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Old 07-23-2008, 01:10 PM   #245
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Curb weight (lb / kg):
3750 / 1705 – LT w/ automatic
3741 / 1700 – LT w/ manual
3769 / 1713 – LS w/ automatic
3780 / 1718 – LS w/ manual
3913 / 1779 – SS w/ automatic
3860 / 1755 – SS w/ manual

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/21/2...ls-and-images/
These numbers, after nearly a day of thinkin', are beginning to bother me. What ever happened to calling Jenny Craig? And to top that off, we still have the price to worry about. I'm not trying to start any crap or anything.

Anyone else think that the top of the line Camaro is going to weigh in at more than the GT500 or Challenger?
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Old 07-23-2008, 01:11 PM   #246
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I will see your bet and raise you 1 second quicker. I have yet to see a 3500 lb mustang GT stock surpass 13.9 on a cold day in feb. so I believe there is no worry in a mustang beating a v-8 camaro. . .with same driver skill of course. don't compare a crappy driver to a great driver. . .that isn't fair. lol.
No one ever said that the current Mustang could beat a Camaro, No Way No how (except the driver issue)
The only way the Mustang will beat a stock 2010 Camaro, the Mustang will need multipe Mods. thats the only way.

This has been hammered out over and over again, The Stock Automatic runs 13.8 @ 102 the Stock Manual runs 13.6 @ 104 these are average times with average drivers... Check out times here ....
http://www.dragtimes.com/results.php...arch+DragTimes

Mustang 0-60/ 1/4 mile times...

1991 Ford Mustang GT 7.3 15.6
1992 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 6.2 14.8
1993 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.9 14.5
1993 Ford Mustang GT (auto) 8.0 16.1
1994 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.4 14.0
1994 Ford Mustang GT 6.7 15.1
1995 Ford Mustang 3.8 9.9 17.3
1995 Ford Mustang Cobra R 5.2 13.8
1996 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.4 14.0
1998 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 5.4 14.0
1999 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 5.4 13.9
1999 Ford Mustang Conv. V6 8.6 16.5
1999 Ford Mustang GT 5.5 14.1
2001 Ford Mustang Roush St3 4.3 12.9
2001 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.8 13.5
2003 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.5 12.9
2004 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.5 12.9
2004 Ford Mustang GT 6.3 14.8
2005 Ford Mustang LX 4.0l 6.9 15.3 (C&D Feb 05)
2005 Ford Mustang GT 4.6L V8 5.1 13.5 (MT Jan 05)
2005 Ford Mustang GT Conv. 5.2 13.8 (MT Apr 05)


I have plenty of time slips when I was stock running 13.7's with my Auto tranny and a best of 13.62. intake and tune put me in the 13.3 range. but not to harp on it since this is the Camaros day.

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These numbers, after nearly a day of thinkin', are beginning to bother me. What ever happened to calling Jenny Craig? And to top that off, we still have the price to worry about. I'm not trying to start any crap or anything.

Anyone else think that the top of the line Camaro is going to weigh in at more than the GT500 or Challenger?
This was my thought too, it weights 100 pounds more than a GTO !!!! Yet they say the 2010 Camaro is the same size as the current Mustang. WOW
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Old 07-23-2008, 01:56 PM   #247
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Last night my wife and I sat down and went through the Camaro Website. God Bless her heart. A couple of things changed. Going with the Six Speed Manual - SS and Red Tint Coat, Imperial Blue or Cyber Gray Metallic.

I had to agree with her. (As if that was real difficult!)

Anyway, I showed her the Ignition video. OMG, talk about a head turner!

Considering what GM is going though right now, the way this all shook out is very understandable. Now, all I have to do is remain patient and get in line with the rest of the world.

Scott, Cheryl and John - Keep on keeping on! This is going to be a great ride!
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4.9 S 0 to 60 for the SS hmmm that's funny the Mustang GT does that too with a 100 ponies less lol...must be the obese weight of the maro sorry I am just not impressed with 3900 pounds + for the SS
I would not consider performance numbers (estimates really) from Edmunds to be the gospel. We have yet to see any real numbers on this car yet and won't for some time.

I'll venture that any stock Mustang GT owner who expects to run door-to-door with a new SS is in for a big disappointment.
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First, Thanks to all of the folks at GM for doing such a great job on the Camaro. I want to respond to some of the comments on weight. There is essentially no way to build this car significantly lighter at a reasonable cost given the safety restrictions. I would point to the BMW M3 as an example. BMW spent a great deal of time and money to reduce weight on the M3 and they came up with a 3700+ pound car. Every manufactuer has battled the weight problem that has become a symptom of the additional demands of consumers for things such as power windows etc and the governments demands for safety. Spend some time looking at the weight of other cars in the class and you will discover that GM is in the mid range for the most part. We would all love a car that weighs 400 lbs less but if GM was able to do this many of us would not be able to afford it.

As far as gas mileage Fbodfather points out that the calculations have changed for MPG so lets all wait and see some real world results before we get too excited.
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First, Thanks to all of the folks at GM for doing such a great job on the Camaro. I want to respond to some of the comments on weight. There is essentially no way to build this car significantly lighter at a reasonable cost given the safety restrictions. I would point to the BMW M3 as an example. BMW spent a great deal of time and money to reduce weight on the M3 and they came up with a 3700+ pound car. Every manufactuer has battled the weight problem that has become a symptom of the additional demands of consumers for things such as power windows etc and the governments demands for safety. Spend some time looking at the weight of other cars in the class and you will discover that GM is in the mid range for the most part. We would all love a car that weighs 400 lbs less but if GM was able to do this many of us would not be able to afford it.

As far as gas mileage Fbodfather points out that the calculations have changed for MPG so lets all wait and see some real world results before we get too excited.

I would suggest you go to www.fueleconomy.gov and check out the old and new fuel economy ratings for the last Generation of Camaros. It isn't that difficult. That should give you a pretty fair comparison as to how the new figures are calculated versus the old method.

Geez, all this whining about weight, performance, colors, and no one has seen a proper road test, vehicle in person, or all of the final details.

Good heavens Fbodfather, I don't know how you can remain as calm as you have during all of this.
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