Charger SRT8 vs. Camaro SS

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by a_Username

It was apparent that the conditions didn't match what the Camaro could do in that test. That doesn't stop you from finding a Slalom test on which the Challenger did better than it did there, but I say it would be a little stupid to say that above Slalom test that I posted does not count because it wasn't on the same day lol. If you'd been observant, they do the test for all the vehicles at the same track, which looks like the same time of day. So I doubt they would be as stupid to do the tests at different temperature levels and unequal conditions.

Am I missing something? I used the only head to head comparison between the SRT and SS. If you have another head to head comparison than it would be valid towards your argument, however using the scientific standard, comparisons without constants are meaningless.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Am I missing something? I used the only head to head comparison between the SRT and SS. If you have another head to head comparison than it would be valid towards your argument, however using the scientific standard, comparisons without constants are meaningless.

If we go by that logic, that means whatever the Challenger or Camaro gets outside of that comparison is meaningless? If that was the case, the comparison between the Z06 and Shelby GT500 would mean that whatever Drag Times users post up in the 1/4 mile are meaningless to use in comparison of the GT500 and Z06? The constant is the same. They both got tested at the same track, at the same time of day, and the other same conditions.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by a_Username

If we go by that logic, that means whatever the Challenger or Camaro gets outside of that comparison is meaningless?

Not at all, remember that I never said those were the BEST numbers that car could put down, but the best numbers under those conditions. Can the Camaro do better? of course, but who is to say that under the conditions in which the Camaro puts down better numbers, the Challenger cant put down numbers that are again even better? You can't make that assumption, which is why you can't compare the two directly and have it mean anything.

If that was the case, the comparison between the Z06 and Shelby GT500 would mean that whatever Drag Times users post up in the 1/4 mile are meaningless to use in comparison of the GT500 and Z06?

Yes. If it was a head to head comparison, and you wanted it to be accepted officially.

The constant is the same. They both got tested at the same track, at the same time of day, and the other same conditions.

Constants being the same the Variables can be compared, however, you have yet to produce a comparison in which there have been any constants at all.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Zeus

.... Time to spell this out.

As I have said in the first post, you can find a better test that gives a better time, to which I guess you say the test area would have better conditions. The separate tests between this Camaro: and the STR8 you shown were at, as far as the videos that are available to me, their best. The review even stated the Slalom could not be translated to real world driving, due to it's "communicating being to little and isolating too much." But you can't count out a car's best performance because it's wasn't on the same day, time, and conditions levels as a previous test.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by a_Username

.... Time to spell this out.

As I have said in the first post, you can find a better test that gives a better time, to which I guess you say the test area would have better conditions. The separate tests between this Camaro: and the STR8 you shown were at, as far as the videos that are available to me, their best. The review even stated the Slalom could not be translated to real world driving, due to it's "communicating being to little and isolating too much." But you can't count out a car's best performance because it's wasn't on the same day, time, and conditions levels as a previous test.

The youtube clip you linked, shows a different car, being tested on a different road, likely by a different driver, durring a completely different season (different tempurature/humidity) which all have an affect on the performance numbers. If a challenger SRT8 was brought along for that test, you could say ok, this is what the two cars did under the same conditions and then compare the two directly. However, because there was no challenger, you loose your comparison.

follow?

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Zeus

The youtube clip you linked, shows a different car, being tested on a different road, likely by a different driver, durring a completely different season (different tempurature/humidity) which all have an affect on the performance numbers. If a challenger SRT8 was brought along for that test, you could say ok, this is what the two cars did under the same conditions and then compare the two directly. However, because there was no challenger, you loose your comparison.

follow?

So what you're saying is that the testers are stupid and purposely pick different conditions so a certain car would win? Highly doubtful. I don't know how you can tell if that was different season?

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by a_Username

So what you're saying is that the testers are stupid and purposely pick different conditions so a certain car would win? Highly doubtful. I don't know how you can tell if that was different season?

Ok let me try this another way. A Test is done under controlled conditions which records the 0-60 times of the Camaro and Challenger. The Challenger runs a 5.2 and the Camaro a 4.9

Now a second test is done. But the test is done under different conditions, and only features the Challenger. In this test, the 0-60 for the Challenger is recorded at 4.8

Is it safe to say that the Challenger is the faster car 0-60?




And It was clearly a different season... look at the trees. Likely colder, which would explain the better times.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Ok let me try this another way. A Test is done under controlled conditions which records the 0-60 times of the Camaro and Challenger. The Challenger runs a 5.2 and the Camaro a 4.9

Now a second test is done. But the test is done under different conditions, and only features the Challenger. In this test, the 0-60 for the Challenger is recorded at 4.8

Is it safe to say that the Challenger is the faster car 0-60?




And It was clearly a different season... look at the trees. Likely colder, which would explain the better times.

Yes, because bench racing isn't real racing. In a real race, conditions are the same for both cars. When you bench race you can pick and choose anything you want to prove what you want.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Ok let me try this another way. A Test is done under controlled conditions which records the 0-60 times of the Camaro and Challenger. The Challenger runs a 5.2 and the Camaro a 4.9

Now a second test is done. But the test is done under different conditions, and only features the Challenger. In this test, the 0-60 for the Challenger is recorded at 4.8

Is it safe to say that the Challenger is the faster car 0-60?




And It was clearly a different season... look at the trees. Likely colder, which would explain the better times.

But other tests have gotten the Camaro at 4.6 seconds 0-60... I do understand your point but apparently those weren't at the best conditions.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Yes, because bench racing isn't real racing. In a real race, conditions are the same for both cars. When you bench race you can pick and choose anything you want to prove what you want.

ANDDDDDDD thats why it would be an irrelevant comparison.

Originally Posted by a_Username

But other tests have gotten the Camaro at 4.6 seconds 0-60... I do understand your point but apparently those weren't at the best conditions.

.................... I hope you do get my point