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Old 07-22-2008, 09:12 PM   #101
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That trap speed(108) should equate to about a 12.60 ET. I think they had a shitty launch.
This is quite possible. In fact, quite probable.
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Old 07-22-2008, 09:26 PM   #102
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I really hope those numbers are incorrect for the manual. That guy needed a shift light or something. Maybe he didn't have his "launch control" button on and his traction control off or was in "sport" mode. Depends on the weather and altitude also as some people have mentioned.

Well, be that as it may, i'm still getting the manual regardless--with the few mods i'm planning anyway, should be right where the alleged automatic is
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Old 07-22-2008, 09:30 PM   #103
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That trap speed(108) should equate to about a 12.60 ET. I think they had a shitty launch.


I agree, I had a 14.24 at 102.3 with my Acura CL, to be sure you would have a quicker E.T. than what was stated by Oppenheiser for a 108 trap speed.

The Challenger can do a 13.0 flat and weighs a few hundred pounds more.
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Old 07-22-2008, 10:37 PM   #104
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I cant wait for the Magazines to get a hold of this car and show us some real numbers.
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Hey wait a second, 4.9,.............Isn't that the challenger time with 5-speed autostick, what gives
Thats what we're trying to understand.

doesnt make sense... 400lbs lighter... just as much hp... ????

doesnt add up.
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Old 07-23-2008, 12:53 AM   #107
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your telling me.

these numbers are more disturbing than dissapointing
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Hey wait a second, 4.9,.............Isn't that the challenger time with 5-speed autostick, what gives
I wouldn't get too excited there chief...we can always go get the auto and go faster. Your stuck with getting a man...wait your doesn't even come in a manual, unless you drop about 50 horse. Seems like the "challenger" is coming up just a wee bit short.
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For the rest of us Camaro fans....just tell everyone "No it's really fast, I got the auto, in a controlled environment, on the right day, with the right driver, man she will fly!! Oh that other pedal? I just rest my foot on it when I'm at stop lights"

I'm getting the manual. For crying out loud even the magazines can't agree on a 0-60 time and 1/4 mile times for the same cars.

Here's a tip...Get the car YOU want! Life is too short to worry about what the other guy thinks.
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I'm getting the manual. For crying out loud even the magazines can't agree on a 0-60 time and 1/4 mile times for the same cars.

I second that...................there's such a big discrepancy between all the car mags -----


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so many factors go into posting your 0-60 and 1/4 mile times... temperature, wind direction, elevation, barometric pressure, tire size, the traction the surface you are running on and the big one THE DRIVER (reaction time, speed of shifting, weight etc). That is why every magazine will have different times listed, because they are never done in the same place at the same time with the same driver. Even if they did that it will vary. Even drag racers running the same car will get a different ET on every run.
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so many factors go into posting your 0-60 and 1/4 mile times... temperature, elevation, barometric pressure, tire size, the traction the surface you are running on and the big one THE DRIVER (reaction time, speed of shifting, weight etc). That is why every magazine will have different times listed, because they are never done in the same place at the same time with the same driver.
I'll disagree with RT (reaction time). if they are using the G-tech then RT doesn't matter it only start recording after the first 10 feet. and with the TR6060 tranny you will do 60 mph in first. but yea a ton of factors go in to it and I only believe my own times. . .
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ok... apparently no one reads my posts... like the one on the bottom of page 2 for instance....





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Thats what we're trying to understand.

doesnt make sense... 400lbs lighter... just as much hp... ????

doesnt add up.

HP sells cars, Torque wins races. shifting at the optimal point on the power curve is key, which is why the optimized auto beats the manual. driving the manual, the driver more than likely had to go easy on the launch to keep from spinning the tires and getting too much wheel hop.
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I'll disagree with RT (reaction time). if they are using the G-tech then RT doesn't matter it only start recording after the first 10 feet. and with the TR6060 tranny you will do 60 mph in first. but yea a ton of factors go in to it and I only believe my own times. . .
Reaction time in this case is the time between when your mind says it's time to shift and you actually take action...
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Reaction time in this case is the time between when your mind says it's time to shift and you actually take action...
yea but with this tranny I will guarantee they will be doing 60 in first. so it doesn't matter.
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yea but with this tranny I will guarantee they will be doing 60 in first. so it doesn't matter.
I also said 1/4 mile too unless it takes a 1/4 mile to do 0-60, it aint' an Escort...
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I also said 1/4 mile too unless it takes a 1/4 mile to do 0-60, it aint' an Escort...
lol. 1/4 is a joke. do a standing mile. . .I want to see that number.
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how about 0-150?
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I'm getting the manual. For crying out loud even the magazines can't agree on a 0-60 time and 1/4 mile times for the same cars.

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"6-speed" is not such a great way to name the manual transmission, considering that the automatic is a 6 speed too.
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For the rest of us Camaro fans....just tell everyone "No it's really fast, I got the auto, in a controlled environment, on the right day, with the right driver, man she will fly!! Oh that other pedal? I just rest my foot on it when I'm at stop lights"

I'm getting the manual. For crying out loud even the magazines can't agree on a 0-60 time and 1/4 mile times for the same cars.

Here's a tip...Get the car YOU want! Life is too short to worry about what the other guy thinks.
i seriously doubt that anyone here would buy a car based on "what the other guy thinks"

If the Auto is that much faster, than that is the argument to be made. not that someone else thinks its cool, who cares? this isnt high school.

get what you want. but if im in a Manual, i dont want to get smoked by some bum in the same car, w/ an auto tranny.

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HP sells cars, Torque wins races. shifting at the optimal point on the power curve is key, which is why the optimized auto beats the manual. driving the manual, the driver more than likely had to go easy on the launch to keep from spinning the tires and getting too much wheel hop.


so if you where to learn the points on the manual.... you could reproduce the results of the auto?

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yea but with this tranny I will guarantee they will be doing 60 in first. so it doesn't matter.
will you really get to 60 in first?
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so if you where to learn the points on the manual.... you could reproduce the results of the auto?
yes and no. there are too many variables. main two being the gear ratios (tranny and rear) and the driver.

no human can shift as fast as an auto can. by the time you've thought about pushing the clutch in, the auto has already shifted
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Congo, my point is... Guys are making a decision about which transmission to buy based on a spec sheet. "well the spec sheet says its .2 seconds faster so...." I have heard people wanting a manual say they are getting the auto because the spec sheet says its faster. If all you are looking for is a faster car then I don't think the Camaro is what will make you happy. I'm just saying, it won't matter what the guy next to me has, it is going to boil down to who gets the jump on the light and the driver if you are racing. But for the other 99.4% of the time drive what you prefer. Some guys deal with traffic and don't want the manual. For me it will never matter, I'll get the manual. To me that is driving, the auto is just steering.
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