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Old 07-23-2008, 12:36 PM   #120
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how about 0-150?
not fast enough. . .
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Old 07-23-2008, 01:29 PM   #121
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I'm getting the manual. For crying out loud even the magazines can't agree on a 0-60 time and 1/4 mile times for the same cars.

I second that...................there's such a big discrepancy between all the car mags -----


6-speed all the way!!!!!!!!
"6-speed" is not such a great way to name the manual transmission, considering that the automatic is a 6 speed too.
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Old 07-23-2008, 01:31 PM   #122
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Old 07-23-2008, 02:32 PM   #123
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For the rest of us Camaro fans....just tell everyone "No it's really fast, I got the auto, in a controlled environment, on the right day, with the right driver, man she will fly!! Oh that other pedal? I just rest my foot on it when I'm at stop lights"

I'm getting the manual. For crying out loud even the magazines can't agree on a 0-60 time and 1/4 mile times for the same cars.

Here's a tip...Get the car YOU want! Life is too short to worry about what the other guy thinks.
i seriously doubt that anyone here would buy a car based on "what the other guy thinks"

If the Auto is that much faster, than that is the argument to be made. not that someone else thinks its cool, who cares? this isnt high school.

get what you want. but if im in a Manual, i dont want to get smoked by some bum in the same car, w/ an auto tranny.

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HP sells cars, Torque wins races. shifting at the optimal point on the power curve is key, which is why the optimized auto beats the manual. driving the manual, the driver more than likely had to go easy on the launch to keep from spinning the tires and getting too much wheel hop.


so if you where to learn the points on the manual.... you could reproduce the results of the auto?

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yea but with this tranny I will guarantee they will be doing 60 in first. so it doesn't matter.
will you really get to 60 in first?
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Old 07-23-2008, 02:40 PM   #124
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so if you where to learn the points on the manual.... you could reproduce the results of the auto?
yes and no. there are too many variables. main two being the gear ratios (tranny and rear) and the driver.

no human can shift as fast as an auto can. by the time you've thought about pushing the clutch in, the auto has already shifted
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Congo, my point is... Guys are making a decision about which transmission to buy based on a spec sheet. "well the spec sheet says its .2 seconds faster so...." I have heard people wanting a manual say they are getting the auto because the spec sheet says its faster. If all you are looking for is a faster car then I don't think the Camaro is what will make you happy. I'm just saying, it won't matter what the guy next to me has, it is going to boil down to who gets the jump on the light and the driver if you are racing. But for the other 99.4% of the time drive what you prefer. Some guys deal with traffic and don't want the manual. For me it will never matter, I'll get the manual. To me that is driving, the auto is just steering.
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Old 07-23-2008, 05:46 PM   #126
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Thats what we're trying to understand.

doesnt make sense... 400lbs lighter... just as much hp... ????

doesnt add up.


It's only 200 lbs lighter my friend .
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will you really get to 60 in first?
the vet with the TR6060 tranny does 62 in 1st.
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How much lower is the gearing in the 'Vette? I don' think we'd quite make it to 60 before redline, but I don't know.

I couldn't read all of the posts but allow me to say that ANY stick better watch out a stalled auto'. I've seen a lot more stalled 4th. Gens. run around similarly mod'd M6s at the track, one of them being mine. There isn't anything quite like the feeling of stalling up on the converter, and putting my foot to the wood on the last amber, and having my eyeballs sucked into the empty cavern in my head when she launches. My car has done 1.6X 60' on a crappy track. I haven't seen many manuals, running what I had, run that 60'.

I will go on record as to say a manual was WAY more fun than an auto' though. My LT1 was an M6 and I loved powershifting that thing like it was my job. I beat that T56 like it owed me money. I couldn't run great, mid-13s with minor bolt-ons on street tires, but it was fun as sh*t!!!
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How much lower is the gearing in the 'Vette? I don' think we'd quite make it to 60 before redline, but I don't know.

I couldn't read all of the posts but allow me to say that ANY stick better watch out a stalled auto'. I've seen a lot more stalled 4th. Gens. run around similarly mod'd M6s at the track, one of them being mine. There isn't anything quite like the feeling of stalling up on the converter, and putting my foot to the wood on the last amber, and having my eyeballs sucked into the empty cavern in my head when she launches. My car has done 1.6X 60' on a crappy track. I haven't seen many manuals, running what I had, run that 60'.

I will go on record as to say a manual was WAY more fun than an auto' though. My LT1 was an M6 and I loved powershifting that thing like it was my job. I beat that T56 like it owed me money. I couldn't run great, mid-13s with minor bolt-ons on street tires, but it was fun as sh*t!!!

Corvette gearing for TR6060 MM6 as of Nov 1 2007

base vette and Z06
Gear ratios: MM6
First: 2.664
Second: 1.783
Third: 1.302
Fourth: 1.000
Fifth: 0.741
Sixth: 0.502
Reverse: 2.903
Final Drive Ratio: 3.420



TR606 Mz6 (z51 corvette)
Gear ratios: MZ6
First: 2.966
Second: 2.066
Third: 1.426
Fourth: 1.000
Fifth: 0.710
Sixth: 0.562
Reverse: 3.276
Final Drive Ratio: 3.420


Camaro's TR6060

First: 3.01
second: 2.07
Third: 1.43
fourth: 1.00
fifth: .84
sixth: .57
reverse: 3.28
final drive ratio: 3.45


so you may be right.
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powershifting huh? Ever miss?
HELL YEAH I DID! I missed but my aim got better. One time I went from second back to first... the engine didn't like that too much, LOL. That tranny was a trooper though!!! I went through four clutches in 100K miles; probably 200 runs down the 1320'. I miss it because if I try that in my '93 4Runner, I'm pretty sure I'd burn the clutch right out of it.
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Corvette gearing for TR6060 MM6 as of Nov 1 2007

base vette and Z06
Gear ratios: MM6
First: 2.664
Second: 1.783
Third: 1.302
Fourth: 1.000
Fifth: 0.741
Sixth: 0.502
Reverse: 2.903
Final Drive Ratio: 3.420



TR606 Mz6 (z51 corvette)
Gear ratios: MZ6
First: 2.966
Second: 2.066
Third: 1.426
Fourth: 1.000
Fifth: 0.710
Sixth: 0.562
Reverse: 3.276
Final Drive Ratio: 3.420


Camaro's TR6060

First: 3.01
second: 2.07
Third: 1.43
fourth: 1.00
fifth: .84
sixth: .57
reverse: 3.28
final drive ratio: 3.45


so you may be right.
I only figured because the 0-60 time was lower than I expected, thinking we must have to shift into second. Oh well. Up the rev' limiter and one may be able to sneak to 60 in first.
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I only figured because the 0-60 time was lower than I expected, thinking we must have to shift into second. Oh well. Up the rev' limiter and one may be able to sneak to 60 in first.
if you are calculating in shifting time then that could be it.
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It's only 200 lbs lighter my friend .
4150 - 3860 = 200??

whose doing your math??
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if you are calculating in shifting time then that could be it.
I'm sure that's a big part of the different; well that and the power-to-weight ratio. Still, from what GM is saying, those are great times. Better than an LS1 4th. Gen., aren't they?...
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