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Old 09-24-2009, 11:18 AM   #15
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You don't think a Porsche or Jaguar are not mass-produced? Come to Southern California and after driving a few blocks, you might re-think that statement.

Of course they are, but on a much smaller level. I don't think you can expect paint on a 23-35k car where 500 a day are pumped through to compare with what you see on those cars.

FWIW, Jaguar as of late has some of the best factory paint out there. But I wouldn't own one. Take my Camaro just the way it is.........warts and all
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Old 09-24-2009, 11:33 AM   #16
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Of course they are, but on a much smaller level. I don't think you can expect paint on a 23-35k car where 500 a day are pumped through to compare with what you see on those cars.

FWIW, Jaguar as of late has some of the best factory paint out there. But I wouldn't own one. Take my Camaro just the way it is.........warts and all
gotcha. I understand where you are getting at. But consider this, look at $15k - $25K cars mass-produced cars from Honda, Toyota, Ford, VW, etc. etc. I don't think you'll see this many paint issues in any of them. We are just talking about paint here, there are so many other documented probs with the new Camaro and yes, I understand it is a 1st year production but still....I think for some, they just don't realize or dont want to face the fact that whenever any company downsizes and start trimming fat here and there, QUALITY is the first to out the door. Do you disagree? But having said that, I still like my Camaro and I am glad I bought it. I am disappointed with the quality, yes.
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Old 09-24-2009, 11:39 AM   #17
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gotcha. I understand where you are getting at. But consider this, look at $15k - $25K cars mass-produced cars from Honda, Toyota, Ford, VW, etc. etc. I don't think you'll see this many paint issues in any of them. We are just talking about paint here, there are so many other documented probs with the new Camaro and yes, I understand it is a 1st year production but still....I think for some, they just don't realize or dont want to face the fact that whenever any company downsizes and start trimming fat here and there, QUALITY is the first to out the door. Do you disagree? But having said that, I still like my Camaro and I am glad I bought it. I am disappointed with the quality, yes.
I don't disagree, but I am just SOOOO thankful GM was able to launch the car at all and I had the priviledge to buy one. Hopefully the quality issues will iron themselves out as time goes on. We at least have a choice of a sharp looking car instead of yet another Eco-Blob
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Old 09-24-2009, 12:11 PM   #18
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gotcha. I understand where you are getting at. But consider this, look at $15k - $25K cars mass-produced cars from Honda, Toyota, Ford, VW, etc. etc. I don't think you'll see this many paint issues in any of them. We are just talking about paint here, there are so many other documented probs with the new Camaro and yes, I understand it is a 1st year production but still....I think for some, they just don't realize or dont want to face the fact that whenever any company downsizes and start trimming fat here and there, QUALITY is the first to out the door. Do you disagree? But having said that, I still like my Camaro and I am glad I bought it. I am disappointed with the quality, yes.
Trust me all production run vehicles have flaws, both mechanical and cosmetic. The reason that you don't hear about most of them is that they are not under a microscope on a daily forum such as this. A lot of issues are repaired by dealerships before anyone even sees the car.

The Camaro being in it's first year of production and having been designed, tested and produced by teams working on three different continents is actually doing quite well. Don't get me wrong, issues such as paint blemishes frayed wiring harnesses (another post) or any other discrepancy should be reported and every attempt should be made by the dealer and manufacturer to resolve the problems as they appear. Just don't expect that a mass produced vehicle will have no issues, even with a good QC program.
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Trust me all production run vehicles have flaws, both mechanical and cosmetic. The reason that you don't hear about most of them is that they are not under a microscope on a daily forum such as this. A lot of issues are repaired by dealerships before anyone even sees the car.

The Camaro being in it's first year of production and having been designed, tested and produced by teams working on three different continents is actually doing quite well. Don't get me wrong, issues such as paint blemishes frayed wiring harnesses (another post) or any other discrepancy should be reported and every attempt should be made by the dealer and manufacturer to resolve the problems as they appear. Just don't expect that a mass produced vehicle will have no issues, even with a good QC program.
I don't expect any mass produced product to be perfect. Who does? I understand all that believe me. This is my 6th Camaro and car # 32 in the past 26 years since I received my drivers lic. The huge point is, no matter how good the QC may have been, but when you have less people doing it and those people are constantly dealing with uncertainty regarding job security, work quality results and morale are going to decline and there is going to be a rise in the number of errors. Any management group will agree to this statement. The issues we are seeing are pure QC issues. That is my point.
Part samples and equipment that were perhaps tested/monitored 3x/week for proper operation, calibration, etc. are no longer being monitored/tested as frequently and closely as before..again, due to less number and competence of people doing it.

And you don't think other cars, such as those from EU and Asia are designed, tested, etc. by several groups separated by continents?

BTW. I do respect your view on this. Nice to have a meaningful exchange once in awhile.
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Actually I don't think that other brands are designed manufatured and tested on different continents...not to the degree that the Camaro was at it set an industry standard. All that aside though, I do understand you view on the dimise of proper QC in turbulent times.

Definitely, moral job security and current economic stress have a factor in peoples dedication and overall job performance, with that said don't you think that the same issues might be plaguing the other manufacturers? My real point was that the issues with the Camaro are more evident only because of this site and the members that willingly share information.
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You don't think a Porsche or Jaguar are not mass-produced? Come to Southern California and after driving a few blocks, you might re-think that statement.
SoCal is one place where there might be alot of jags and porsche's, but the US is much greater...
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The new Camaro's seem to have their initial quality issues, but there is a lot more to it than just GM's bankruptcy. GM is trying to shift attitudes that are decades in the making, and overcoming the inertia of the present workforce will take some time. It will come, I have faith. This will be the second coming of the muscle car wars.
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