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Old 07-23-2008, 05:28 PM   #251
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No one ever said that the current Mustang could beat a Camaro, No Way No how (except the driver issue)
The only way the Mustang will beat a stock 2010 Camaro, the Mustang will need multipe Mods. thats the only way.

This has been hammered out over and over again, The Stock Automatic runs 13.8 @ 102 the Stock Manual runs 13.6 @ 104 these are average times with average drivers... Check out times here ....
http://www.dragtimes.com/results.php...arch+DragTimes

Mustang 0-60/ 1/4 mile times...

1991 Ford Mustang GT 7.3 15.6
1992 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 6.2 14.8
1993 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.9 14.5
1993 Ford Mustang GT (auto) 8.0 16.1
1994 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.4 14.0
1994 Ford Mustang GT 6.7 15.1
1995 Ford Mustang 3.8 9.9 17.3
1995 Ford Mustang Cobra R 5.2 13.8
1996 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.4 14.0
1998 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 5.4 14.0
1999 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 5.4 13.9
1999 Ford Mustang Conv. V6 8.6 16.5
1999 Ford Mustang GT 5.5 14.1
2001 Ford Mustang Roush St3 4.3 12.9
2001 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.8 13.5
2003 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.5 12.9
2004 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.5 12.9
2004 Ford Mustang GT 6.3 14.8
2005 Ford Mustang LX 4.0l 6.9 15.3 (C&D Feb 05)
2005 Ford Mustang GT 4.6L V8 5.1 13.5 (MT Jan 05)
2005 Ford Mustang GT Conv. 5.2 13.8 (MT Apr 05)


I have plenty of time slips when I was stock running 13.7's with my Auto tranny and a best of 13.62. intake and tune put me in the 13.3 range. but not to harp on it since this is the Camaros day.



This was my thought too, it weights 100 pounds more than a GTO !!!! Yet they say the 2010 Camaro is the same size as the current Mustang. WOW
Good post! That is disturbing to me!
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Old 07-23-2008, 05:28 PM   #252
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I would not consider performance numbers (estimates really) from Edmunds to be the gospel. We have yet to see any real numbers on this car yet and won't for some time.
The news article was from Edmunds, the performance numbers were from
Al Oppenheiser, chief engineer for GM's North American rear-wheel-drive platform.

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To think with a 122 more horses the mt Camaro is on .1 th faster in the quarter mile, and they are basicaly the same size.
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Old 07-23-2008, 05:32 PM   #254
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The lack of performance is starting to bother me more and more!
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Old 07-23-2008, 05:58 PM   #255
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Are these numbers 'official'? No....
Please read the quote about performance times and 0-60 in Dragon's link...
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Old 07-23-2008, 06:21 PM   #256
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not much headroom. I can barely fit in my mustang with a helmet on. bugga. looks like I gotta look elsewhere. most disappointing
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seats can be custom-lowered. i heard some vette dudes did that. dont give up yet!
I took a G37 for a test drive today. It has roughly the same headroom. I fit in, but head rubs the roof ever so slightly. I can tilt the seat back a bit but it's not as comfortable. I'll have to sit in a Camaro to see how well the seats and steering wheel adjust for comfort.
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Old 07-23-2008, 08:18 PM   #257
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To think with a 122 more horses the mt Camaro is on .1 th faster in the quarter mile, and they are basicaly the same size.
Doesn't seem right, does it? I was hoping with 122 more hp, hopefully underrated, and with 1.6L more, the Camaro would be speculated with better performance. I was thinking that a 6.2L 422hp V8 with IRS and a 6M would hit 0-60 in 4.5 ish and 1/4 in 12.6 ish. Hmmm...
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Old 07-23-2008, 08:30 PM   #259
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So let me get this strait. If you get the SS w/ TAP shift auto transmission, you lose 22hp?!?!?! Thats just pure !!!!! There is no other car where you lose that much power by chosing the auto! Also, 23mpg? Hmmmm, I was expecting more along the lines of 26-28mpg. Also, it takes Premium fuel Everythig else is
don't forget the auto has steeper gear ratios than the m6 so should be pretty close peformance wise.
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Old 07-23-2008, 09:29 PM   #260
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The original SS stripe in '67 was about a 4" wide stripe around the front end between the hood and the grille.
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Old 07-23-2008, 11:49 PM   #261
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white and silver are not colors they are non-color! Red Yellow Orange are BRIGHT not light. Ralleye green is light, Robins egg blue is considered light.
Light is now on.
And yes please watch the language it is getting rough in a couple of threads.
That don't make any sense. What's your definition of a light, bright, and non-color, get scientific if you like I'll keep up.
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Old 07-24-2008, 12:08 AM   #262
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White is the combination of All Colors
Black is the combination of All Pigments
Pigments absorb light and reflect a portion of the spectrum. this portion translates into what we see as "Color"
The more the pigment absorbs the darker the "color" we see.
Very white paint absorbs very little light so reflects as white and bright.
Black paint the opposite (which is why to me a smooth black finish is sooo cool, like looking into an osidian mirror - err too much?)

skipping past..

In addition to the spectum of light that is absobed/reflected there is also the luminosity or how much of it is reflected.
Again Bright white reflects alot of light black little. Grey absorbs alot of the spectrum but has higher luminosity.
Richer Color paints tend to darker because of how much and what they absorb to create the deeper colors we see.
(My physics of light is a bit simplistic, its been a reallly long time since I had this crap)

Also it depends on what you have in mind when you think of a color in the same family.

To some Navy blue is Blue to others its Robin's egg. both would consider Midnight dark and Sky light, but the one thinking of Robin's egg might see slate blue as dark where the guy thinking of Navy would say light.
It's very much subjective.
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Old 07-24-2008, 12:09 AM   #263
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then why is the Stang 400 pounds lighter and still costs way less than the Maro ??? your comment does not make sense sorry...
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Old 07-24-2008, 12:15 AM   #264
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How much does the Camaro cost?
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Old 07-24-2008, 03:55 AM   #265
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How much does the Camaro cost?
This is info we haven't gotten yet...not in the unveil...not in the IDL. It'll prolly be released in a few more months.
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Old 07-24-2008, 08:57 AM   #266
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then why is the Stang 400 pounds lighter and still costs way less than the Maro ??? your comment does not make sense sorry...
Does the current mustang have stability control and side curtain air bags?

My understanding is that stability control is going to be mandatory in a couple of years and cars that don't have it get a weight advantage that is going to go away soon. Stability control is a non-trivial piece of hardware that has some weight to it. There's not only sensors and wiring and a control module, but they need a beefier system for maintaining pressure in the brake system and individual control systems for each wheel.
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That don't make any sense. What's your definition of a light, bright, and non-color, get scientific if you like I'll keep up.
First allow me to help you with your grammar. "That don't make sense" should be "that doesn't make sense. Now to reply to your comment: Light, an antonym would be “darkness”, an adjective would be “subtle” or “pale”.
Bright, an antonym would be “dark”, an adjective would be “sunlit” or “vivid”,
Non-color- This I may have to take back because if something lacks color or if it is of non-color than it has no interest or vividness. I think if someone was to say that the Camaro lacked interest or vividness we would have to tak’em’out. However, black, gray and white are considered “lacking a manifestation of color”. Thanks for keeping up!

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Old 07-24-2008, 10:25 AM   #268
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White is the combination of All Colors
Black is the combination of All Pigments
Pigments absorb light and reflect a portion of the spectrum. this portion translates into what we see as "Color"
The more the pigment absorbs the darker the "color" we see.
Very white paint absorbs very little light so reflects as white and bright.
Black paint the opposite (which is why to me a smooth black finish is sooo cool, like looking into an osidian mirror - err too much?)

skipping past..

In addition to the spectum of light that is absobed/reflected there is also the luminosity or how much of it is reflected.
Again Bright white reflects alot of light black little. Grey absorbs alot of the spectrum but has higher luminosity.
Richer Color paints tend to darker because of how much and what they absorb to create the deeper colors we see.
(My physics of light is a bit simplistic, its been a reallly long time since I had this crap)

Also it depends on what you have in mind when you think of a color in the same family.

To some Navy blue is Blue to others its Robin's egg. both would consider Midnight dark and Sky light, but the one thinking of Robin's egg might see slate blue as dark where the guy thinking of Navy would say light.
It's very much subjective.
By no stretch of the imagination will Robins egg blue be dark. When is the last time you looked in a Robin's nest??? Lite color of blue - everytime. And the little black speckle you see on the outside of the egg?-is the baby Robins desire for that Black Hockey Stick STRIPE! Wanna bet?
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we all know the Maro will cost much more than the Stang exactly how much we will find out soon , now as to the weight issue ,imagine driving a Maro with 2 extra passangers in there each weighing 200 pounds , That is the HANDICAP the Maro has to deal with vs the Stang. Not just for acceleration but also for cornering and braking a lot of people don't realize that extra weight affects you in a lot of different ways performance wise...
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Does the current mustang have stability control and side curtain air bags?

My understanding is that stability control is going to be mandatory in a couple of years and cars that don't have it get a weight advantage that is going to go away soon. Stability control is a non-trivial piece of hardware that has some weight to it. There's not only sensors and wiring and a control module, but they need a beefier system for maintaining pressure in the brake system and individual control systems for each wheel.
Electronic Stability Control will be mandatory 2012 Government Regs.
The 2008 Mustang has this option. also it comes with the option of side curtain air bags as well.

The Mustang is lighter for many reasons, 1) 4.6L Aluminum Engine (it's smaller) 2) Aluminum Hood and roof. 3) Solid Rear Axle not IRS.
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wheel base...........112.3......107.1
length..................190.4.....187.6
width...................75.5.......73.9
height................. 54.2.......55.4
track front...........63.7........62.8
track rear.............63.7.......63
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Old 07-24-2008, 11:04 AM   #271
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then why is the Stang 400 pounds lighter and still costs way less than the Maro ??? your comment does not make sense sorry...
lack of IRS for one.
smaller, less advanced platform for two...
one could go on about quality, and robustness....

And it does not cost WAY less, because we don't even know what the Camaro will cost (though you can take to the bank that the difference in price won't merit a "WAY")
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lack of IRS for one.
smaller, less advanced platform for two...
one could go on about quality, and robustness....
One Could but we have not seen the Camaro yet, it's interior looks very "Pontiacish" if you know what I mean, but then again I own a Mustang and the interior is plastic looking. as far as Mustang Quality I have no complaints, I have over 300 1/4 mile runs, several laps logged in at VIR with some 150 mph runs, 55,000 miles and not one issue (knock on wood) Granted this is my First Ford so I do not know what the quality was like before the S197, but compaired to my GM Products, very comparable..
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Electronic Stability Control will be mandatory 2012 Government Regs.
The 2008 Mustang has this option. also it comes with the option of side curtain air bags as well.
Well, they're NOT going to install those heavy options on the car when they weigh it if they're optional. You're comparing it to a car which has all those items as standard and therefore it's going to weigh more. When they become standard equipment on the Mustang I bet the weight will go up.

You are correct about the engine and the roof... but the SS has an aluminum hood too.
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If you pick up the latest Motortrend Magazine, it is estimated to run from: $22,000 - $33,000.
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I'm hoping that the 2010 Camaro will be significantly faster than the 2010 Mustang GT. Just like the 2002 Z28 compared to the 2002 Mustang GT. Anything less will result in me waiting for the 'top dawg' Camaro - whatever it's called.
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