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Old 07-23-2008, 07:05 PM   #251
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I don't like those black inserts. We're not driving a GT-R.


If they were functional brake cooling ducts, would you still not like them? The foglights in the Bumblebee picture are just movie props. As myself and other Z/28 owners have said - "You want foglights and other nicey, nicey stuff? Buy an SS"
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I would find a different bumper that had brake ducts. Brake ducts aren't that big normally.

BTW foglights are planned on all models, even the Z if it's made, so please quit with your holier than thou attitude.
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If they were functional brake cooling ducts, would you still not like them? The foglights in the Bumblebee picture are just movie props. As myslef and other Z/28 owners have said - "You want foglights and other nicey, nicey stuff? Buy an SS"
I don't know... If you do want the nice stuff I don't see why the Z28 could not offer them as an option. I want the nice stuff along with the POWER.

but thats just me.

Another reason why we should have option everything ontop of the stock muscle.
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BTW foglights are planned on all models, even the Z if it's made, so please quit with your holier than thou attitude.
What??!! I'm simply asking you for your opinion. How does that make me a bad guy? We are all simply trying to discuss a possible Z/28 package.
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I was referring to this comment.
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I don't know... If you do want the nice stuff I don't see why the Z28 could not offer them as an option. I want the nice stuff along with the POWER.

but thats just me.

Another reason why we should have option everything ontop of the stock muscle.
as of right now it's all speculation and who's to say our Z28 will have a ton of power? it could be what it was back in the 60's a road race setup for the camaro. which doesn't mean power. it means more suspension then power.
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I don't know... If you do want the nice stuff I don't see why the Z28 could not offer them as an option. I want the nice stuff along with the POWER.

but thats just me.

Another reason why we should have option everything ontop of the stock muscle.
The problem is that the Camaro team did not get the green light to offer a supercharged model from the bean counters. So given that, what can they do to provide us with something? Would you simply want the Z/28 to be a cosmetic package of an SS (which is what I think you are alluding to) or do you want it to be a bit unique under the skin? Keep in mind now that they cannot offer us any additional power than what we have with the current SS.
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The problem is that the Camaro team did not get the green light to offer a supercharged model from the bean counters. So given that, what can they do to provide us with something? Would you simply want the Z/28 to be a cosmetic package of an SS (which is what I think you are alluding to) or do you want it to be a bit unique under the skin? Keep in mind now that they cannot offer us any additional power than what we have with the current SS.
who's to say they didn't get the green light? and who's to say they didn't. there have been hints to a higher powered camaro. and the people that have been around on this board for a long time now knew that the Z28 wasn't going to be released with the initial line up. at best a year from the first one rolling off the line. at worst 5 years. but to say that. . .it's actually quite wrong. either way to say green light, no green light.
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I was referring to this comment.
Don't take that personally. It's just my opinion. Everyone here has something different to offer this discussion. Truth is, I do associate with guys who actually own real '69 Z/28 Trans AM cars (the real McKoys) and we tend to look at the Z/28 as more of a performance car and the SS as more of a product that combines performance and luxury. That's the way it was in '69. No A/C was available with the solid lifter Camaros from 1967-1970. WHich meant that the Z/28, L78, L89, COPO and ZL1 Camaros got no A/C. It's just a heritage thing bro so chill.
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who's to say they didn't get the green light? and who's to say they didn't. there have been hints to a higher powered camaro. and the people that have been around on this board for a long time now knew that the Z28 wasn't going to be released with the initial line up. at best a year from the first one rolling off the line. at worst 5 years. but to say that. . .it's actually quite wrong. either way to say green light, no green light.
Let's assume they did get the green light, why wouldn't they simply say it will come at a later time like they have indicated for the 'vert? Doesn't make sense to be so non-definitive unless it was a no-go. Has anyone on the Camaro team been candid regarding the Z/28? No. Why do you think that is so?
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That's not conclusive as far as I am concerned. Let's here it from one of the team members. Are we going to get a Z/28 - yes or no? Just a simple question looking for a one word answer from a Team Camaro member.
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I'll have to read the ENTIRE thread to even begin an argument. I'd like to chime in on all the threads since Good Monday cam around. That's what I'm calling it. "Good Monday"

Anyway. A little dust has settled. A year from now, We will be doing the same thing. Waiting for a new model anouncement GM isn't done with Camaro, this only the begining. It seemed very short and simple, the unveiling on Monday. Look at how vague and simple all that info was and how it got everyone in an up roar. Execs at GM aren't dumb, they know what we want. Bean counters have nothing to do with it. The Muscle car is not in Jeopardy. The SUV is. Camaro was discountinued due to demand and to usher in the SUV era. Now that the SUV croud has gotten hit hard with Gas prices, GM has to re-tool re-group re-think and re -re all the re's that have to be re'd. There is more than one way to skin a cat. In other words, Sports, Hi-po, Muscle cars can be made to be eco and appealing. While the SUV effiency is still a ways off. Demand for our beloved is over whelming, while SUV plants are getting shut done. This energy thing is to fresh in out minds. Z/28 would have died a short death by plopping it in our laps this early into a new age of energy concerns.

Hey you gus remember that one guy on the Aircraft Carrier on Hunt for Red October? He said "Russians don't take a dump without a plan", well neither does GM.
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i read the first 2 pages and had to post, it seems to me that people are feeling negative towards this, i do understand that the z28 means alot to many, but are making it feel like the SS will do nothing, the extra you would have paid for whatever came on a hypothetical z28, why not really upgrade the SS, make it a z28, i will be doing that and it will not loose anything becase of a badge, it will bring me that much closer to loving my car that much more.
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i read the first 2 pages and had to post, it seems to me that people are feeling negative towards this, i do understand that the z28 means alot to many, but are making it feel like the SS will do nothing, the extra you would have paid for whatever came on a hypothetical z28, why not really upgrade the SS, make it a z28, i will be doing that and it will not loose anything becase of a badge, it will bring me that much closer to loving my car that much more.
I can see how many people would think this whole Z/28 debate is stupid because we are getting a fantastic car in the SS. Everyone here believes it is. If the Z/28 is not built, we will all go out and buy an SS - no doubt about it.

It's just that for many of us, the Z/28 was originally "THE" racing version of the Camaro. That means something to a lot of people. We are all glad that the SS came out and it is a wonderful car.
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See? My point exactly. GM is going to plan this right, just like it took 3 years to see our beloved at 99% of over all concept's vision. Or did you like the way Ford carved the concept mustang like last year's Thanksgiving turkey? --But on that note, you can't polish a turd.

Patience. Uhg I'm gonna be 30 by the time the RSs and SSs hit show rooms, half of you are 20 other others in there 40 and 50 have waited since 69 to get a car of similar caliber. You are gonna tell me that it will be too much to wait another 18 months??
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Let's assume they did get the green light, why wouldn't they simply say it will come at a later time like they have indicated for the 'vert? Doesn't make sense to be so non-definitive unless it was a no-go. Has anyone on the Camaro team been candid regarding the Z/28? No. Why do you think that is so?
great example is the blue devil vette aka the ZR1. how long was it being seen in spy shots and no official word was said?
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great example is the blue devil vette aka the ZR1. how long was it being seen in spy shots and no official word was said?
Good point but do you think they would have gotten the green light in todays market with todays GM and all the challenges it faces? When I read this article and Cheryl's specific response to the question "Will there be a Z/28 model?", it sounds pretty cut and dry to me.

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You know I didn't like the new BB before, but it looks really good to me in those pics. If I had things my way, my Z would look like the new BB, some reasonable engine mods (CAI, exhaust), some suspension and chassis tweaks, tons of weight reductions, top of the line tires, Recaro (or comparable) seats with grippy upholstery, and maybe even the General's first DCT.
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Good point but do you think they would have gotten the green light in todays market with todays GM and all the challenges it faces? When I read this article and Cheryl's specific response to the question "Will there be a Z/28 model?", it sounds pretty cut and dry to me.

http://www.automobilemag.com/new_and...wer/index.html
You may or may not know, but the question she answered is misquoted. Cheryl herself responded in an email saying the actual quesiton was something like, "with there be a Z28 at launch?" And her answer was no.

And since then Scott as trid to calm the waters saying it isn't dead. So again back to your original point. I wish they'd say something also.
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Good point but do you think they would have gotten the green light in todays market with todays GM and all the challenges it faces?
well depends on what Z28 means to you. if you're talking about a high horsepower car with a supercharger. . .maybe. they already have the LSA and LS9. wouldn't take much to put them in a camaro.

If you go back to what a Z28 was back in the day before it was truely watered down, a road race prepped camaro that had a 302 ci motor and a beefed up suspension, then still maybe.

Now there's a better chance of the supercharged camaro then what I believe would be a better choice for a Z28. The reason I say this the majority of people that want the Z28 are screaming for a supercharged camaro. so it would make it more profitable for GM to make that then what I want.

just try not to be so negative torwards the possibility of a Z28. no one has confirmed or denied it there is one being built. so it's all about perspective.
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SS will always be "Top Dog"

am i missing something here?

from when the SS came out in what 68 up to 72 the SS camaro was always the high performer of the camaro line, at least HP wise. (no, DZs dont count) and when it came back years later in the 90s was the same thing.

so if we go by history here, if and when there is a camaro z-28 it wouldnt, or shouldnt out perform the SS.

you think there going to put a supercharger on a V8 pushing out 420 horses already, and have it surpass the SS?

that just wouldnt add up in my opinion, unless they go with this current line and supercharge the V6 or something.

no?
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