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Old 07-23-2008, 10:20 PM   #290
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I always wanted an SS. They went back to basics and I am glad. But for the z lvers out there I am sure they willl get theres.
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Old 07-23-2008, 10:25 PM   #291
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am i missing something here?

from when the SS came out in what 68 up to 72 the SS camaro was always the high performer of the camaro line, at least HP wise. (no, DZs dont count) and when it came back years later in the 90s was the same thing.

so if we go by history here, if and when there is a camaro z-28 it wouldnt, or shouldnt out perform the SS.

you think there going to put a supercharger on a V8 pushing out 420 horses already, and have it surpass the SS?

that just wouldnt add up in my opinion, unless they go with this current line and supercharge the V6 or something.

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Well if you hadn't noticed they didn't use "LT, RS, Z/28, and SS" as the trim levels... they went inline with the current format of LS LT and SS as the trim levels. In my opinion The Z was the best of the best because it was the total package... it could beat you on the straight and the corners Look for the Z28 to possibly have the LSA at one point... i can't wait honestly.
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Old 07-23-2008, 10:25 PM   #292
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yeah...merged.
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Old 07-23-2008, 10:27 PM   #293
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yeah...merged.

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Old 07-23-2008, 10:32 PM   #294
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Ricer badges YAY.

to you it's a name to me and true enthusiasts it's a way of life. I respect the fact you don't share in my love for what makes a Z a Z. so if you could respect mine.

Okay, first I meant absolutely no offense. That was my sense of humor about the whole thing that I think is quite immature that some people are in such an uproar over the absense of the Z28. But I do understand on the same token that it's an important part of the Camaro herritage. It's just, the Camaro is back, and we should all be lucky and thankfull it has returned at all.

Second, would the performance of the car you order as an SS with either the L99 or LS3 be any differently if the badge on the decklid said Z28 instead of SS? Would your 4th gen F-body feel any different if you took off the Z28 badging from the front fenders?

Again, no disrespect to the Z28, but sometimes people go a little overboard.

I love the Z28, and wish there was a Z28. Having said that, I'm going to order an SS and will be thrilled with the car I'm sure.
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Old 07-23-2008, 10:40 PM   #295
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Okay, first I meant absolutely no offense. That was my sense of humor about the whole thing that I think is quite immature that some people are in such an uproar over the absense of the Z28. But I do understand on the same token that it's an important part of the Camaro herritage. It's just, the Camaro is back, and we should all be lucky and thankfull it has returned at all.

Second, would the performance of the car you order as an SS with either the L99 or LS3 be any differently if the badge on the decklid said Z28 instead of SS? Would your 4th gen F-body feel any different if you took off the Z28 badging from the front fenders?

Again, no disrespect to the Z28, but sometimes people go a little overboard.

I love the Z28, and wish there was a Z28. Having said that, I'm going to order an SS and will be thrilled with the car I'm sure.
ok point taken. and didn't really get upset over it. just making a point and the internet you can't tell sometimes when someone is joking/humor.

personally I think calling the base V-8 anything besides that with out doing something special doesn't note the SS or Z28 badging. I believe the SS and Z28 should be packages like they were back in the 60's. but the badges have been watered down to be just a trim level. but that's a different discussion entirely. I am glad the camaro is back and intend to buy a vert if no Z will be on it's way.

my 4th gen is sitting up on blocks right now so it won't feel like anything . but that's the thing if I had bought an SS i probably would have wanted to race the 1/4 mile all the time. but I bought a Z and enjoyed the fact that I could debage it and it look like a regular camaro and my over all performance goal is to make the thing carve some serious corners. but that being said oh well.

again I'm very greatful the camaro is back. I knew it would be back in 2002. just like I know the Z28 will be back some day. hopefully it will be soon.
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well depends on what Z28 means to you. if you're talking about a high horsepower car with a supercharger. . .maybe. they already have the LSA and LS9. wouldn't take much to put them in a camaro.

If you go back to what a Z28 was back in the day before it was truely watered down, a road race prepped camaro that had a 302 ci motor and a beefed up suspension, then still maybe.

Now there's a better chance of the supercharged camaro then what I believe would be a better choice for a Z28. The reason I say this the majority of people that want the Z28 are screaming for a supercharged camaro. so it would make it more profitable for GM to make that then what I want.

just try not to be so negative torwards the possibility of a Z28. no one has confirmed or denied it there is one being built. so it's all about perspective.
I'd like to see an LS9 Z/28 as well being offered but if they can't supply us with one, could they at least offer something?

I totally understand all the SS guys and non Z/28 enthusiasts who think this debate is silly because GM is offering 95% of what a Z/28 would be with the SS. On the surface it does sound silly but let's just say that every company would love to have a product as recognizable and that had as many devotees as the Z/28.
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You may or may not know, but the question she answered is misquoted. Cheryl herself responded in an email saying the actual quesiton was something like, "with there be a Z28 at launch?" And her answer was no.

And since then Scott as trid to calm the waters saying it isn't dead. So again back to your original point. I wish they'd say something also.
Yes but to comment so much about the SS being the corporate top gun performance model and then say that's the direction we are going in says much more to me than a simple no about whether there will be a Z/28 at launch. If it was to be at a later date, why didn't she just say so and be done with it?
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Old 07-23-2008, 11:41 PM   #298
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Probably because it isn't definite,

They need to look at a number of factors,
Sales - and of what trims
Market response and Feedback
Dev costs
Market Segment for the Z/28 (total track car, slimmed and tightend or HiPo Beast or Beast with cleats?)
Depending on the above then you start your goodies package.
- Integrated RS pack?
- Engine (LS376/480 480hp | LSA s/c 556hp etc - I know the LS9 is an awesome engine, the Camaro wont ever get it)
- Transmission (SS 3.45 axle, CTS-V 3.7. axle..)
and so on....

There is seriously alot of crap GM will have to do to prep and present a Z/28 if and when they decide its economically viable to do so.
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Sure but they had to do all of that for the SS already so it should not be such a new exercise.
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Old 07-23-2008, 11:49 PM   #300
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Good point but do you think they would have gotten the green light in todays market with todays GM and all the challenges it faces? When I read this article and Cheryl's specific response to the question "Will there be a Z/28 model?", it sounds pretty cut and dry to me.

http://www.automobilemag.com/new_and...wer/index.html

It was a misquote.

Let me make a few comments:

We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name.

We don't talk about future products -- but what makes you think we haven't been doing work on something?????

I can't say more than that......other than:

"KEEP THE FAITH" --

I can't lie to you guys -- because if I do, I will have zero credibility......and I don't plan on going anywhere anytime soon -- you're stuck with my ugly mug.
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Yes but to comment so much about the SS being the corporate top gun performance model and then say that's the direction we are going in says much more to me than a simple no about whether there will be a Z/28 at launch. If it was to be at a later date, why didn't she just say so and be done with it?
because GM's policy is to not talk about future product plans like that. I.E. Blue devil aka ZR1. The auto mags are the ones that talked the car up so much GM didn't say anything about it. but finally one day bam there it is in all it's glory. . .ZR1 638 hp corvette.
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It was a misquote.

Let me make a few comments:

We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name.

We don't talk about future products -- but what makes you think we haven't been doing work on something?????

I can't say more than that......other than:

"KEEP THE FAITH" --

I can't lie to you guys -- because if I do, I will have zero credibility......and I don't plan on going anywhere anytime soon -- you're stuck with my ugly mug.
thank you so much for this post. especially the comment about the hallowed name.
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Old 07-23-2008, 11:56 PM   #303
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Not nessecarily, and just because you have done a product rollout doesn't mean you don't start from square one when you want to make an upgrade.

A car of this type really isn't the generic cookie cutter variety.
It is expensive to make a new new car. Now add to that you have an enthusiastic target audience that won't hesitate to shove its foot in its mouth to tell you to pound sand if the Car isn't 110% what they envisioned.

I can guarantee out of the gate GM had the base LS (LT is an upgrade to the LS) and SS in mind based on their existing lineup. 2 main packages that you can then trim out keeps cost down and your reach broad.

Hell when the Camaro debued the LS2 was the hotshit engine.
Contrary to popular opinion the LS7 was only ever a Camaro pipe dream - GM has said on more than one occasion it was hella expensive to manufacture.
During the following years GM has had to adjust to market feedback, Govt and envirionmental pressures and its fanbase to develop the Car we see.

Don't think you can just say alright take what you saw and extrapolate and give me a 3rd model. First GM has to see a return on its investment before putting more money into a new option pack.

That being the case it is of no benefit to annouce anything now for a product that may not exist if the market won't bear it. All that will create is bad press and ill will in the fan base for announcing and shelving a product.
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It was a misquote.

Let me make a few comments:

We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name.

We don't talk about future products -- but what makes you think we haven't been doing work on something?????

I can't say more than that......other than:

"KEEP THE FAITH" --

I can't lie to you guys -- because if I do, I will have zero credibility......and I don't plan on going anywhere anytime soon -- you're stuck with my ugly mug.
Good enough for me Scott. Build something even if you can't do Plan A. Okay I'll shut up on this subject now.
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I for one am not EXPECTING a super demented horse power car, even though thats the highes probability given the fact that the LS9 and LSA exist.

Who wouldn't buy a 400-450hp hybrid? That will put a new definition in muscle, wouldn't it? get 25-30mpg... not bad

Though I do understand that some want to use the monster for racing and this wouldn't be such a great buy... but as we all know GM goes for the masses and I'm thinking the masses would go with a hybrid.

Yes, a little farfetched but stranger things have happend.

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Would you simply want the Z/28 to be a cosmetic package of an SS (which is what I think you are alluding to) or do you want it to be a bit unique under the skin? Keep in mind now that they cannot offer us any additional power than what we have with the current SS.
No, I don't want some appearence package... I want the power AND I want it to look different than all the other Camaros (like Bumblebee2, or something equivalent) AND they CAN offer additional power, look at the CTS-V. We're talking about an engine transplant.
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It was a misquote.

Let me make a few comments:

We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name.

We don't talk about future products -- but what makes you think we haven't been doing work on something?????

I can't say more than that......other than:

"KEEP THE FAITH" --

I can't lie to you guys -- because if I do, I will have zero credibility......and I don't plan on going anywhere anytime soon -- you're stuck with my ugly mug.
I can't possibly think of anything more that can be said.
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