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This. Sensible. Nuff said.
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12-15-2023, 07:23 PM | #1486 | |
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The Combined Charging System was developed in 2012 and is the de facto system in Europe and has been the de facto system in the US until this recent sea change of major automakers moving to the Tesla NACS system. Tesla’s NACS system was developed in 2014. In Europe, Tesla vehicles use CCS. (Photo below) This is becoming pretty much a VHS vs Betamax battle. There are good and bad things about both protocols. In the US, CCS suffers from poorly executed and disjointed networks. None of the automakers except for Tesla had previously committed to any particular network, but they did commit to the CCS protocol. But since the networks executing CCS are failing miserably, they’re all jumping ship to the better network and by default accepting the protocol that it supports.
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12-16-2023, 08:52 AM | #1487 |
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Maybe a ev will make sense in 10-20 years.
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12-16-2023, 11:45 AM | #1488 |
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His posts always get reported for that...
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12-21-2023, 09:17 AM | #1489 |
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I'm breathing some CH4 back into this thread, since emissions concern is the excuse for the EV push.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...breathing.html “…that exhaled human breath can contain the greenhouse gases methane (CH4) and nitrous oxide (N2O) both of which have a much higher global warming potential than carbon dioxide (CO2).” |
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Unfortunately, I think the reason so many enthusiasts hate EVs isn't the fact that they exist. It's that they and the governments are pushing out the very soul of a high-performance vehicle by regulating ICEs out of existence. Quote:
Not to mention, ICEs can be refurbished and if taken care of can last a really, really long time - and maintain most of their power for decades when properly cared for. Batteries? EVs are now just a very expensive appliance that has to be thrown out every 8 years since replacing the battery will be nearly as expensive as the car is worth. Sure, the batteries can be recycled for lower power use, but that doesn't help the consumer who now has to buy another car. All the savings and supposed green gains lost, due to more and more cars being produced because they simply don't last as long.
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Throttle house did a dig race of a 911 Turbo S vs a Model S Plaid and it hung surprisingly well until about 60 mph, when the Plaid's 1020 hp proceeded to pull away from the Turbo S. No doubt the Plaid is super quick, but again, easy and boring power. I've ridden in one, quick and powerful, but boring aside from that - it didn't do anything to stir my soul. But, have you ever watched a Plaid try to stop after a high-speed run? Dangerous to say the least. They suck at stopping. Quote:
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12-22-2023, 08:32 AM | #1494 |
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We're recycling talking points now but EV supporters need to realize the vast majority of us resent the mandates at any level, local or federal. We are not anti-EV when matched with the ideal use case. GM will enjoy the manufacturing efficiencies of a skateboard platform one day but no chance they'd be charging this hard without the mandates.
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Also, GM pledged to be carbon neutral by 2040. Leading up to that they announced in 2017 that they intended to go all electric for passenger vehicles by 2035. That was before any of the ICE emissions regulations for 2027 were drafted and submitted for public comment, so clearly, that was not the motivation. Most other major automakers have also since then pledged carbon neutrality by 2040 - 50, depending on which automaker. You cannot get to carbon neutral without a high penetration of electric vehicles in the portfolio. No doubt, the emissions regulations that are moving forward have helped accelerate the process, but that’s not where it all started. We were deep into dealing with these issues when I was still in product planning before I retired in 2017.
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As EVs progress, companies are getting smarter in developing designs that allow for modular replacement of battery sections as opposed to required full battery replacement. GM is particularly good at this. Tesla is particularly bad at this. It’s way too early to say that replacing the battery will be almost the same as or more than the value of the car. Battery prices continue to drop. Remanufacturing and recycling of batteries is still in growth mode. What will that look like in 8 or more years when we start to see more EVs maturing to the point that they need replacement? I think all we can confidently say is that the costs will be lower than they are today. How much? Too early to say.
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https://youtu.be/8Quo1_i7x0s?si=4MfCv4KGvWKV7bqV 4 year old Throttle House track video Model 3 Performance ($51k today) vs M2 Comp vs Audi RS3 plus drag Model 3 Performance vs RS3. TLDW M2 Comp is a track beast, Model 3 is 0.5s behind, RS3 is a distant 3rd. Model 3 Performance gaps RS3 in the drag race. https://youtu.be/9Pu9046wX9g?si=FRJkq3PIJgahFvde Model 3 Performance has improved over the 4 years since these videos were posted by Throttle House. 2 year old Edmunds drag race video Model Y Performance ($52.5k today) vs GT500. Keep in mind that this is a fast family SUV vs an apex performance car. TLDW Model Y gaps GT500 in real world drag race due to GT500 real world traction issues. In controlled tests they tie 0-60, GT500 pulls away and dominates quarter mile. https://youtu.be/z-2R8mhi8jw?si=j3qZvgou2GJ__dzf
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