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Old 09-04-2011, 01:31 PM   #197
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I'm not an Auburn fan at all, but Gene Chizik must have been a magician in a different life! I thought that game was in the books, but so must have the other team! Gotta hand it to the Tigers even if they have a tough row to hoe for the rest of the season.

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Oklahoma is over-rated. They choke in every BCS game they play and the SEC is the best conference ............Who has the last 4 National Championships?

ahhh....if you want to go there, then the Big 10 and Ivy League both have more National Championships than the SEC.
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ahhh....if you want to go there, then the Big 10 and Ivy League both have more National Championships than the SEC.
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Well that should stir the pot!!!!

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Old 09-04-2011, 06:18 PM   #201
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ahhh....if you want to go there, then the Big 10 and Ivy League both have more National Championships than the SEC.
just sayin'...

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Live in the present not the past......... I am just stating facts......The SEC is the best conference in college football right now..............Im sure all of you OU fans will have another excuse as to why Bob "oops" Stoops chokes in yet another failed attempt to win a BCS game since..................................
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Texas a&m aggies gonna get it done this year whoop! Gonna say byebye to the big 12 and take their trophy with us!
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Texas a&m aggies gonna get it done this year whoop! Gonna say byebye to the big 12 and take their trophy with us!
Along with oaklahoma. ..? To the PAC 12
Will the SEC still be on top.
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Live in the present not the past......... I am just stating facts......The SEC is the best conference in college football right now..............Im sure all of you OU fans will have another excuse as to why Bob "oops" Stoops chokes in yet another failed attempt to win a BCS game since..................................
Live by your own words...the PAST/LAST 4 national championships??? And I also see you added the words "right now" to your previous statement of the SEC...best conference...

Let's see where this season goes and leave it to the guys on the field.
"We OU fans" as you call us, don't make excuses. A coach is only as good as the team he or she coaches; and putting your obvious bias aside, can you honestly say OU is a bad team? It's an honor to even play for the championship; so losing that game doesn't mean the team had a "losing season" or the coach is bad, because if they sucked, they wouldn't be there playing. If it makes you feel better to pop jokes about other college teams, then you'll probably soon run out of people who will be willing to discuss football with you.

And if OU decides to go to the PAC-12 what will you say about the team then?
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Live by your own words...the PAST/LAST 4 national championships??? And I also see you added the words "right now" to your previous statement of the SEC...best conference...

Let's see where this season goes and leave it to the guys on the field.
"We OU fans" as you call us, don't make excuses. A coach is only as good as the team he or she coaches; and putting your obvious bias aside, can you honestly say OU is a bad team? It's an honor to even play for the championship; so losing that game doesn't mean the team had a "losing season" or the coach is bad, because if they sucked, they wouldn't be there playing. If it makes you feel better to pop jokes about other college teams, then you'll probably soon run out of people who will be willing to discuss football with you.

And if OU decides to go to the PAC-12 what will you say about the team then?

You are right.......I was wrong......they have the last 5 National Title's. I am not biased at all. Hell I pull for Notre Dame........I know we suck and I dont bring up their 13 National Titles in my discussion. I am just saying what is true. Top to bottom the SEC is the best conference in college football. Argue all you want.............. OU is the best team in the Big......Whatever the hell they are now................That doesn't take away from the power of the SEC though. You are talking about a team....I am talking about a conference.
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Texas a&m aggies gonna get it done this year whoop! Gonna say byebye to the big 12 and take their trophy with us!
Sorry but I think Oklahoma has you guys covered. I will be watching when they play though. I just think OU is too talented for A&M. I predict OU loses to LSU/Alabama winner in the BCS Championship.......Good luck though...........I know my Irish don't have a chance so I am merely a spectator this season............and many to come it seems
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I can't let this go on any longer. I am joining this discussion.

I am absolutely devastated that the Big 12 is not a sustainable conference.

Think about what could have been. I will present a hypothesis: that teamwork could have saved the Big 12 but obviously didn't.

In a time when all we think about sports has been turned on its head; when people dream of playing pro but don't care if they play for their home team; when we read headlines day after day about excessive spending, team lockouts, greedy owners, money, money, and more money, I wonder what happened to sports. I wonder what happened to loyalty and the love of the game. You don't see kids growing up these days dreaming of being pitchers because these poor kids can't keep up with what team each favorite pitcher represents. There's no love for the team. It is a bunch of individuals with agents and their greedy managers, owners, and advertisers trying to make the most out of their overpaid talent. Do they deserve that money? I'm not talking about the players. I'm talking about the guys in the suite upstairs. They need that money to pay for their bottomless glasses of Chateau Douche cabernet for the next game they don't bother watching from the tinted windows of their executive suite overlooking the field. This is sports news, and it kills me. That is why I watch college sports.

Ah, college sports—free from the crazed greed that so dominates professional sports. Teams and conferences work toward goals, and they don't involve contracts the same way. I've known for years that the Big 12 wasn't where the money was, despite the millions that fans pour into Kansas basketball merchandise.

Imagine a PR campaign by the Big 12's remaining teams after Colorado left and Nebraska abandoned over 100 years of heritage for another conference. All of the teams say that this is great. In fact, they say they're better without those teams. They even go so far as to say, "We're together because we love sports, and that's all we need." The press would ask Texas A&M, "Are you sure you don't want to get out of Texas' shadow?" They would respond, "Tell them to get out of ours!" The press would laugh, then asking Iowa State, "Are you concerned since you're such a low performer and you might not have an alternative?" They'd say, "We're not concerned. The Big 12 is strong, and who are you calling a poor performer?" The press would respond with articles proclaiming that the Big 12 is what all sports should be. Investors would go nuts because sports are like the stock market, and stability is money. They'd say they don't want our money, but they'd collect it like a robber at the bank. It would work, and the Big 12 could be even stronger than it already was.

It didn't happen. Everyone said, "We're considering our options." If I'm Kansas and I hear Oklahoma State say, "We're considering our options," I'm scared, so I start considering my options. I ask other conferences. Suddenly, someone gives me a good offer, and I stop wondering what Oklahoma State is doing. It becomes selfish. That's not how team sports work.

Kansas, Missouri, and Kansas State acted like a team last year. They made a pact. If one team goes, they all have to go. That's bold. That's how teams work, and it's truly remarkable since the original jayhawkers were people who massacred Missourians in retaliation for raids by Missourians doing the same thing to Kansans. Their histories are written in blood, and their fans aren't much nicer to one another these days. Yet, I can attest—a Jayhawk myself—that Kansas Jayhawks want that rivalry, and Missouri Tigers feel the same way. We want to play one another. We want that tradition, even if both school frown on the MUCK FIZZOU shirt I wore to every Mizzou matchup or the incredible obscenities that fans shout at one another. We're on the same team, and we hate one another, and yet it doesn't stop us from wanting to continue that relationship. Texas A&M's athletic department can learn a lot from that.

A good, team-oriented PR campaign could have taken the Big 12's remaining 10 teams and made them look like heroes to all their fans. Fans wouldn't just be arbitrary in-state students but people who appreciate the love of the game as much as they appreciate their teams for their cultures and traditions. It wouldn't be just about basketball or football anymore. It would be about love, and that's what sports needs in a time when all we discuss is money. It could have been great, but soon it might not be anything at all.
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ND is going to get stomped next week. That is all.
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ND is going to get stomped next week. That is all.
Probably so..............I hate Michigan with an absolute passion , but I think we will lose the game as well. I hope Ohio State sticks it up your azz for us late in the year though
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I can't let this go on any longer. I am joining this discussion.

I am absolutely devastated that the Big 12 is not a sustainable conference.

Think about what could have been. I will present a hypothesis: that teamwork could have saved the Big 12 but obviously didn't.

In a time when all we think about sports has been turned on its head; when people dream of playing pro but don't care if they play for their home team; when we read headlines day after day about excessive spending, team lockouts, greedy owners, money, money, and more money, I wonder what happened to sports. I wonder what happened to loyalty and the love of the game. You don't see kids growing up these days dreaming of being pitchers because these poor kids can't keep up with what team each favorite pitcher represents. There's no love for the team. It is a bunch of individuals with agents and their greedy managers, owners, and advertisers trying to make the most out of their overpaid talent. Do they deserve that money? I'm not talking about the players. I'm talking about the guys in the suite upstairs. They need that money to pay for their bottomless glasses of Chateau Douche cabernet for the next game they don't bother watching from the tinted windows of their executive suite overlooking the field. This is sports news, and it kills me. That is why I watch college sports.

Ah, college sports—free from the crazed greed that so dominates professional sports. Teams and conferences work toward goals, and they don't involve contracts the same way. I've known for years that the Big 12 wasn't where the money was, despite the millions that fans pour into Kansas basketball merchandise.

Imagine a PR campaign by the Big 12's remaining teams after Colorado left and Nebraska abandoned over 100 years of heritage for another conference. All of the teams say that this is great. In fact, they say they're better without those teams. They even go so far as to say, "We're together because we love sports, and that's all we need." The press would ask Texas A&M, "Are you sure you don't want to get out of Texas' shadow?" They would respond, "Tell them to get out of ours!" The press would laugh, then asking Iowa State, "Are you concerned since you're such a low performer and you might not have an alternative?" They'd say, "We're not concerned. The Big 12 is strong, and who are you calling a poor performer?" The press would respond with articles proclaiming that the Big 12 is what all sports should be. Investors would go nuts because sports are like the stock market, and stability is money. They'd say they don't want our money, but they'd collect it like a robber at the bank. It would work, and the Big 12 could be even stronger than it already was.

It didn't happen. Everyone said, "We're considering our options." If I'm Kansas and I hear Oklahoma State say, "We're considering our options," I'm scared, so I start considering my options. I ask other conferences. Suddenly, someone gives me a good offer, and I stop wondering what Oklahoma State is doing. It becomes selfish. That's not how team sports work.

Kansas, Missouri, and Kansas State acted like a team last year. They made a pact. If one team goes, they all have to go. That's bold. That's how teams work, and it's truly remarkable since the original jayhawkers were people who massacred Missourians in retaliation for raids by Missourians doing the same thing to Kansans. Their histories are written in blood, and their fans aren't much nicer to one another these days. Yet, I can attest—a Jayhawk myself—that Kansas Jayhawks want that rivalry, and Missouri Tigers feel the same way. We want to play one another. We want that tradition, even if both school frown on the MUCK FIZZOU shirt I wore to every Mizzou matchup or the incredible obscenities that fans shout at one another. We're on the same team, and we hate one another, and yet it doesn't stop us from wanting to continue that relationship. Texas A&M's athletic department can learn a lot from that.

A good, team-oriented PR campaign could have taken the Big 12's remaining 10 teams and made them look like heroes to all their fans. Fans wouldn't just be arbitrary in-state students but people who appreciate the love of the game as much as they appreciate their teams for their cultures and traditions. It wouldn't be just about basketball or football anymore. It would be about love, and that's what sports needs in a time when all we discuss is money. It could have been great, but soon it might not be anything at all.
Dude, I couldn't disagree more on the NFL part.

You ask where the loyalties lie and then answer your own question by throwing it at the owners feet. Free agency is a players product. And THAT's when the loyalties died. The lack of 'Player to Team and Team to Player' loyalties died when the players finaly were able to get the free agency going.

And dream all you want about when they "Played for the love of the game" because they can say that all they want, but if the player salaries of today were given to the players back then, it would be the same result as today. They loved the game back then, but they had no choice. As soon as they started to get paid bigger and bigger and free agency caught on more and more, the loyalties and 'Love of the game' died faster and faster. It wasnt' the owners who killed the loyalties, it was the players union.

I'm not surprised that there is a sentiment out there that vilifies the owners. People make it sound as if the owners are greedy and evil. I's not like it's an oil or utilities company where they sell a product that all of us HAVE to have. It's entertainment. If you don't like it, stop watching it. There is nothing wrong with the owners wanting to keep as much of their money as possible. so I disagree with you. I blame the players. NOT the owners.

jmo

On to the college part.

Much more simple to me. I'm a Sooners fan by default. I grew up in a small town in Oklahoma. Everyone in my town were Sooners fans. It's all I knew. I am not an alum and I don't care that I'm not. I went to a small college in Washington. I here some talk about being an alum like the non-alums are posers. LMAO, I bet the schools still accept that merchandise and ticket money from non-alums.

Side note real quick because that reminds me..... To anyone reading this. If you are an alum from a school and didn't PLAY on the team, yet inject it into a football conversation that you're an alum, that's kinda poser to me. Just sayin'.

So having said that, I really don't care about conference loyalties. Like I said earlier, the only reason I give a damn about the wins and losses out of conference is because I live in dillusional SEC land. Where people down here STILL complain that that the national media doesn't give them enough respect.

I'm all for having 4 huge conferences with 16 teams each. So if a little school greediness get's us to that, then I'm all for school greed. LOL But I also know that economicaly it would hurt a lot of schools and recognize the traditions. So I have no right answers for college sports. I would just DIE if my alma mater Green River College, stoped playing ............ wait...... no football team.

But you were mainly talking about money and schools/conference loyalty if I read correctly. Some schools have more money for the obvious reasons. The term 'Nice guys finish last' comes to mind. Let's face it, the ones with the money have the leverage. And they are going to leverage themselves as big of a seat at the eventual table as possible. College football is going to go to bigger conferences. What good does it do for the bigger money schools to stay with the smaller schools if the future is less money and a smaller 'Share' so to speak?

The Big 12 (the way it was) was only in existence for 15 years I think, but don't forget that the old Big 8 conference stayed intact as far as teams. The North division was 6 of them. The problem, in my mind, is that Nebraska just became pathetic and so did the rest to a fault. Had Oklahoma and Texas been split up, things may have turned out different. Sometimes you just have to know when to 'Cut Bait' so to speak. It's not OU and UTs fault that everyone in the north is so terrible but it's certainly the case. And when you go seemingly unchallenged you start to lose competative respect for the others.

So to kinda answer your college part of your post, I think the loyalties are gone for a reason. And I think some schools may have to look in the mirror and realize that they rode the gravy train too long without contributing.

I will say this though........ That they better be careful. Look at how pathetic the once mighty Notre Dame has become. Might leverage themselves right out of ... well... leverage.
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