2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[newmoon]

You are right it shouldn't be close at all. One car is 3700 lbs, and has 505hp, and super sticky 305s, the other car has 4200 lbs, with 470hp, and 255s street tires.

The problem is that in 15 the 4200 lb car gets a new 8-speed automatic and a bump in HP/TQ. The manufacturer has already claimed low 12-sec times. This battle will become much closer very soon. Also if the 392 can't beat the Z/28 there is always the Hellcat

Also I am glad you are so certain that SRT8tech's pass was on DRs and gutted interior. He has now taken his 392 Charger with Tune/DRs to a 12:00s run, and come the better weather this Fall I am sure he will be in the 11s.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

Did anyone find this 10,000 delta? Canadian or US Dollar.

It can't be found if it never existed.

Originally Posted by rocket403

Very few 392 are running 12.5 stock add a tune and a tire and high 11's are very possible, two drivers in allegedly stock cars are getting 12.3 out of them, with the addition of the 15hp and 8 sp trans 12.2, that is no where near the ZL1 hero runs, the Hellcat is going to be faster than the Camaro in the 1/4 while getting its ass beat around a track even it only has 600hp, Mustang will be a better race, we will need to wait until numbers are known to have a better idea.

Fixed it for you

I'm sure Dodge can dump more ENGINE into that land yacht and make it go faster in a straight line. But will it be the CAR that the ZL1 is?

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by newmoon

You are right it shouldn't be close at all. One car is 3700 lbs, and has 505hp, and super sticky 305s, the other car has 4200 lbs, with 470hp, and 255s street tires.

The problem is that in 15 the 4200 lb car gets a new 8-speed automatic and a bump in HP/TQ. The manufacturer has already claimed low 12-sec times. This battle will become much closer very soon. Also if the 392 can't beat the Z/28 there is always the Hellcat

Also I am glad you are so certain that SRT8tech's pass was on DRs and gutted interior. He has now taken his 392 Charger with Tune/DRs to a 12:00s run, and come the better weather this Fall I am sure he will be in the 11s.

SRT8tech got 12.0 with a modified car on drag radials!? I'll be sure and send him a cookie.

Year after year it's wait until this, wait until that from the Dodge corner. Can Dodge not put better tires on the Challenger? Did you miss the dyno numbers above where the Challenger is putting down the same power and MORE torque than the Z/28? Odd how we can't compare manual transmission cars to manual transmission cars. You would think that would be apples-to-apples...

This whole discussion is moot. This is a $75,000 track car, not a drag car.

[evh5150vanhalen]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Fixed it for you

I'm sure Dodge can dump more ENGINE into that land yacht and make it go faster in a straight line. But will it be the CAR that the ZL1 is?

Concidering the suspension has been completely redone and is no longer mercedes sourced it may just very well be and then some. The thing is nobody knows what the car will handle like or how much power it's putting down.
So for now I'd say it's best for both sides to keep their mouth shut until we get numbers and some publications get their hands on it.
And as for the Challenger being a Land Yacht, do you guys even know the size differences between it and the Camaro?

Wheelbase diff 4 inches
Length diff 7 inches
Width diff 0.2 inches
Height diff 3 inches
Weight diff 420 lbs

[LBreezie]

If it was up to me and I had the options to delete stuff on the car, I would get the hellcat with all option deletes

[07-SRT]

[QUOTE=newmoon;7782651

Also I am glad you are so certain that SRT8tech's pass was on DRs and gutted interior. He has now taken his 392 Charger with Tune/DRs to a 12:00s run, and come the better weather this Fall I am sure he will be in the 11s.[/QUOTE]

SRTtech is no longer in Florida, He moved to a higher elevation...lol. I was there for his 12.0x runs. He had cai, drag radials and tune- that's it.....
I posted a video sometime back on here when I was with SRT8tech at the track with his Challenger showing under the hood and tires that he was stock, However people jumped in and said his times don't count as stock because he had a "CATCH CAN''. lol

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

It can't be found if it never existed.

lol. So it's big bird math?

[BaylorCamaro]

Originally Posted by evh5150vanhalen

Concidering the suspension has been completely redone and is no longer mercedes sourced it may just very well be and then some. The thing is nobody knows what the car will handle like or how much power it's putting down.
So for now I'd say it's best for both sides to keep their mouth shut until we get numbers and some publications get their hands on it.

Agreed, but if the history of the Challenger over the past several years is any indication, it will be more focused on drag racing than a road course.

Originally Posted by evh5150vanhalen

Length diff 7 inches
Weight diff 420 lbs

The Camaro is no spring chicken, but these two measurements are a lot for two cars that are in direct competition.

[evh5150vanhalen]

Originally Posted by BaylorCamaro

Agreed, but if the history of the Challenger over the past several years is any indication, it will be more focused on drag racing than a road course.




The Camaro is no spring chicken, but these two measurements are a lot for two cars that are in direct competition.

I have parked my Challenger next to my cousins Camaro, and to be honest if you don't whip out the measuring tape you don't notice the length difference.
But yes I do agree on the weight.

[BaylorCamaro]

Originally Posted by evh5150vanhalen

I have parked my Challenger next to my cousins Camaro, and to be honest if you don't whip out the measuring tape you don't notice the length difference.
But yes I do agree on the weight.

I somewhat agree. When next to each other they're visually (minimal) size differences do not appear to be ~400 pounds apart. However given the overall dimensions of the Challenger I always thought it looked long compared to a Mustang or Camaro. You definitely get a feel for its size once seated in the Challenger. Sure is comfy!

[AEP11]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Except that it IS a rare occurrence. This is the user generated "fast list" from http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...-sticky-63213/



Notice there are all of 6 people who have achieved sub-12.6 times. Out of the tens of thousands of 392 Challengers roaming the streets, 6 have posted times in this range. Notice how most of these times are 12.6 or higher? In fact, the average time from the average driver at Challengertalk is 12.98 @ 109.4mph which makes it a high 12's car.



SRT8Tech 12.253@113.86 1.907 60' 392 A5 stock

Capo 12.395@12.395 1.906 60' 392 A5 Stock

newmoon 12.464@112.00 1.929 60' 392 A5 stock (Error on MPH on time slip)

KyHemiRT 12.517@110.84 1.849 60' 392 A5 stock

SparkChicken 12.566@111.76 1.913 60' 392 A5 stock

Kakdiesel1 12.593@113.71 2.070 60' 392 A5 stock

Flying Dutchman 12.630@111.92 2.033 60' A5 stock

bskylerj 12.650@110.44 1.904 60' 392 A5 stock

555ss 12.685@109.16 1.878 60' 392 M6 Stock

DonP 12.696@110.06 1.912 60' 392 A5 stock

Red Barron 12.744@109.92 2.021 60' M6 Stock

hemi420 12.769@113.35 1.933 60' 392 M6 stock

MrBohica 12.789@115.09 2.1011 60' 392 stock

CrankCase 12.805@109.05 2.007 60' M6 stock

rayzazoo 12.847@109.89 1.976 60' 392 A5 stock

GodsRodsHEMI 12.911@110.33 2.059 60' 392 A5 stock

Hoopester 12.974@112.09 2.059 60' 392 M6 stock

Madcoder 13.013@107.22 2.174 60' 392 A5 stock

Whisky Tango Foxtrot! 13.093@109.31 2.121 60' 392 M6 Stock

Mayra 13.220@107.30 2.161 60' 392 A5 stock

Litos 13.268@106.58 2.119 60' 392 A5 stock

rmeaux 13.320@108.56 2.228 60' 392 M6 stock

SRT8PWR 13.393@108.47 2.272 60' 392 M6 Stock

kwoolums67 13.709@102.79 2.079 60' 392 Stock

AZZKIKR 13.730@102.62 2.146 60' M6 382 Stock

B5Classic 14.350@102.00 2.454 60' 392 M6 Stock









Above you can see the average Joe times from the 392 Challenger. Let's compare that to what magazine reviews achieved.



C&D: 0-60 in 4.5, 12.9 1/4mile at 114mph, 4203lbs

MotorTrend: 0-60 in 4.6, 13.0 1/4mile at 111.3mph, 4260lbs

Edmunds: 0-60 in 4.7, 12.9 1/4mile at 111.0mph, 4257lbs

Edmunds: 0-60 in 4.5, 12.6 1/4mile at 112.1mph, 4257lbs



This gives us an average of 0-60 in 4.6; 12.85 @ 112.1 mph for the 392 Challenger.



So to recap...

Average fast time 392 owners: 12.98 @ 109.4 mph

Average fast time 392 magazines: 12.85 @ 112.1 mph



Now lets look at the Z/28 reviews.



Car&Driver: 0-60: 4.4 sec; 1/4 mile: 12.7 @ 116mph

MotorTrend: 0-60: 4.0 sec; 1/4 mile: 12.3 @ 117.2mph

Road&Track: 0-60: 4.0 sec; 1/4 mile: 12.2 @ 118mph

Automobile: 0-60: 4.0 sec; 1/4 mile: 12.3 @ 117mph



This gives us an average of 0-60 in 4.1; 12.38 @ 117.0 mph for the Z/28.



Let me put these side by side so you can see why these cars are not in the same league. Keep in mind, the Z/28 is NOT built for drag racing.



SRT8: 0-60 in 4.6; 12.85 @ 112.1 mph

Z/28: 0-60 in 4.1; 12.38 @ 117.0 mph







But they're NOT close at all. The biggest difference between these cars is the Challenger's weight, not power, as the 392 is making excellent power.



Z/28 Dyno: 455hp/420ft-lbs

SRT8 Dyno: 452hp/443ft-lbs









That video is SRT8Tech's run. What you can't see is his drag radials and stripped interior



Sure, there are a handful of hero times by good drivers out there for ALL cars.



Mustang 5.0 bone stock

Pure Stock---------------- 1.89 - 12.22 @ 115.18

SicShelby09 ---------------1.76 - 12.51 @ 111

mrfiveoh-------------------1.97 - 12.57 @ 112.49



Camaro SS bone stock

nhra stocker---------------1.97 - 12.588 @ 110.30

2quik----------------------1.95 - 12.615 @ 111.60

blufin----------------------1.93 - 12.618 @ 110.75



ZL1 bone stock

BADASSBU-----------------1.82 - 11.717 @ 117.61

tnspd----------------------1.79 - 11.763 @ 118.76

Lake End-------------------2.03 - 11.988 @ 120.42



These are certainly NOT average.

Wow.

10's of thousands of 392's?? Highly doubt it.

Every drag racer isnt a member on forums.

Just bc the Z28 isnt a "drag car" doesnt mean you can use that as an excuse for shitty drag times. The GTR isnt a drag car either but it shits and gets. The Z28 has 305 RACE tires. I doubt its having a hard time hooking up with a stock LS7. I promise you the 392 has a harder time with its crap 255 tires.

Again ive already said i know it was built for the strip BUT im personally comparing strip perf. I stated that in strip perf the Z28 & 392 is close and damn sure not leagues apart. At most its .5 seconds and 5mph. Thats not leagues my friend. Thats a drivers race. One mistake and either could win. One great light and the 392 can take it. I understand you wanting them to be leagues apart considering price,hp, and weight. Its just not the case. Now on a road course the 392 shouldnt even insert the key to listen to the radio much less race it. They're not even playing the same sport much less the same league.

Now. The 15 392 will run what the z28 runs in the 1/4 and thats pretty pathetic.

The z28 & zl1 should both be consistent 11sec bone stock cars but they arent

Again if dodge is advertising the 392 as the same time the ZL1 gets then the HELL CAT with at least 150 more hp is going to literally give it hell.


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[rocket403]

the 392 is faster in the 1/4 than the Camaro SS now and Next year

the Hellcat is going to be faster than the ZL1 even with 600hp

The Camaro at this point is faster round the track than the 392, we need to wait and see if the changes made have a better impact on track times for the Hellcat and SRT/RT

For me I follow the 1/4 mile times more than the track times, I raced more times than I can count in the 1/4.

[AEP11]

Originally Posted by rocket403

the 392 is faster in the 1/4 than the Camaro SS now and Next year

the Hellcat is going to be faster than the ZL1 even with 600hp

The Camaro at this point is faster round the track than the 392, we need to wait and see if the changes made have a better impact on track times for the Hellcat and SRT/RT

For me I follow the 1/4 mile times more than the track times, I raced more times than I can count in the 1/4.

Same here.

I highly doubt even with the revised suspension it will have anything to contend with the z28 on a road course.

Hellcat has a fair chance at the zl1. Thats about it imo.


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[rocket403]

I Agree
I think it will be hard to match track times of the Z28, but until the car is out and people are able to test it then it is all just a guess.