How do you folks feel about de-badging

[rshelar]

I transferred the white SS from the rear to the dash.


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[PeteD]

Originally Posted by Rusty35

What does any of that have to do with a camaro that has obviously been modified.

Think about that for awhile

[rontammy0]

Originally Posted by PeteD

Think about that for awhile

[gringo]

Originally Posted by rshelar

I transferred the white SS from the rear to the dash.


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I think it would look better placed on the painted dash insert.

[Spurshot]

I’m too lazy to care about debadging, let alone actually doing it. Picking up my dog’s turds is more important.

[silversleeper]

I considered trying to change my screenname from sleeper as it isn't exactly the 4 door sedan that runs 8's. I chose it without much thought after seeing how 99% of the people didn't know it from a 1LS. Have to say it's hard to tell a hellcat from a v-6 unless you know what to look for too.
With no emblems or chrome, except for the hood, I think it is about as exciting as a front loading washing machine.
I chose to re badge and add chrome.

[Rusty35]

Originally Posted by PeteD

Think about that for awhile

Ok I will think out loud.

Originally Posted by PeteD

"Really? You do not know what a sleeper is? The muscle car manufacturers of days gone would put huge engines in family sedans or non menacing looking coupes. No badges, no big exhaust note. Nothing. Then when they hit the pedal, the driver in the othe lane knew, he had been HAD"

Camaro is not a huge engine in a family car.
Camaro is not a non menacing looking coupe.
What camaro comes from the factory with no badges?
How is removing the badges not a cosmetic mod?

Who is it that looks at a camaro with the badges removed and says oohh I bet he is slow I want to race him?

A sleeper camaro is just like a sleeper Lamborghini.
Its a camaro, the slow ones are fast.

[gringo]

Originally Posted by Rusty35

Ok I will think out loud.


Camaro is not a huge engine in a family car.
Camaro is not a non menacing looking coupe.
What camaro comes from the factory with no badges?
How is removing the badges not a cosmetic mod?

Who is it that looks at a camaro with the badges removed and says oohh I bet he is slow I want to race him?

A sleeper camaro is just like a sleeper Lamborghini.
Its a camaro, the slow ones are fast.

Not around here. A stock L99 is at least a couple of seconds faster than a V6 manual. lol!

[jokrz187]

well, with today you can take photos and photo shop what your car may look like with/with out badges. i'm not a computer person at all and did some things before I pulled the trigger. I also asked a few non Camaro friends what they thought just to get opinions and I removed some badges and added some lettering but I am going with a theme on my Camaro. so that plays a role with some people.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Rusty35

Camaro is not a huge engine in a family car.
Camaro is not a non menacing looking coupe.
What camaro comes from the factory with no badges?
How is removing the badges not a cosmetic mod?

There are enough sixxer 5th gens running on non-RS wheels & tires that high performance (in today's context) is not a given when you first see a 5th gen.

I would never consider a debadged Camaro to be a "modified Camaro" for that reason alone. At best - as part of a sleeper build, it gets to ride on the coattails of the real performance mods by being part of the effort to disguise what the car is really capable of.

Who is it that looks at a camaro with the badges removed and says oohh I bet he is slow I want to race him?

I'm not a street racer so I don't know how those guys think or how they size up a potential 'kill'. But they're probably a whole lot more observant than most people, who can look at an SS Camaro without even seeing the difference between the red and the white 'SS' emblems . . . let alone have any idea that the difference means anything. They'd see the blacked-out hood of a 1LE without understanding a thing.

A sleeper camaro is just like a sleeper Lamborghini.

The whole concept of a 'sleeper' build probably traces back to the British "Q-ships" of WWI and WWII. Google it.


Norm

[Rusty35]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

There are enough sixxer 5th gens running on non-RS wheels & tires that high performance (in today's context) is not a given when you first see a 5th gen.

I would never consider a debadged Camaro to be a "modified Camaro" for that reason alone. At best - as part of a sleeper build, it gets to ride on the coattails of the real performance mods by being part of the effort to disguise what the car is really capable of.


I'm not a street racer so I don't know how those guys think or how they size up a potential 'kill'. But they're probably a whole lot more observant than most people, who can look at an SS Camaro without even seeing the difference between the red and the white 'SS' emblems . . . let alone have any idea that the difference means anything. They'd see the blacked-out hood of a 1LE without understanding a thing.





The whole concept of a 'sleeper' build probably traces back to the British "Q-ships" of WWI and WWII. Google it.


Norm

I did my share of street racing in the 70s, the sleepers were the ones that went after the rich kids in factory hot rods.
I had a 73 kingswood wagon with a 427, and 8" slicks inside the fenders.

[PeteD]

Originally Posted by Rusty35

Ok I will think out loud.


Camaro is not a huge engine in a family car.
Camaro is not a non menacing looking coupe.
What camaro comes from the factory with no badges?
How is removing the badges not a cosmetic mod?

Who is it that looks at a camaro with the badges removed and says oohh I bet he is slow I want to race him?

A sleeper camaro is just like a sleeper Lamborghini.
Its a camaro, the slow ones are fast.

You people who have no idea. Really? Just really?

A Camaro is not a Camaro. Take a ZL1 and take off badges and hood. Looks like a base Camaro with Zl1 wheels. Until they fire it up and hit the gas and leave your ass sitting there.

Take for instance the photo I have included below. No badging except for the Camaro on the side........Sleeper or just a "Camaro " as you have so abundantly put it. Go ahead and jump on this "Just a Camaro " if you want to. but I guarantee you will not like the outcome.

How is going backwards a "cosmetic mod"? I will give you that it is personal taste as to what one wants on their car. And whatever a person wants on it I support 100%. It is there car.




If you do not know the differences you really should just leave it alone.

[gringo]

Originally Posted by PeteD

You people who have no idea. Really? Just really?

A Camaro is not a Camaro. Take a ZL1 and take off badges and hood. Looks like a base Camaro with Zl1 wheels. Until they fire it up and hit the gas and leave your ass sitting there.

Take for instance the photo I have included below. No badging except for the Camaro on the side........Sleeper or just a "Camaro " as you have so abundantly put it. Go ahead and jump on this "Just a Camaro " if you want to. but I guarantee you will not like the outcome.

How is going backwards a "cosmetic mod"? I will give you that it is personal taste as to what one wants on their car. And whatever a person wants on it I support 100%. It is there car.

If you do not know the differences you really should just leave it alone.

That old COPO Camaro looks as much like a sleeper as a Lamborghini does.lol! Well, not exactly, but you get my point. However, you'd never have to worry about running into one on the street because those things are rarer than a hen's tooth.

A Camaro is not a sleeper, especially the newer models. Also, old cars with wide tires and police style hubcaps just scream "I'm probably pretty quick, so don't mess with me".

A sleeper for me would be something so unassuming that you never know what hit you until you were smoked at the stoplight. You know, something like The Farm Truck on youtube for example.

The Gen5 is at least a low 14 sec car even on the slowest 2LS models. Even today, that is still relatively quick. A sleeper would have no performance or even sporty pretensions in my opinion.

[Rusty35]

Originally Posted by PeteD

You people who have no idea. Really? Just really?

A Camaro is not a Camaro. Take a ZL1 and take off badges and hood. Looks like a base Camaro with Zl1 wheels. Until they fire it up and hit the gas and leave your ass sitting there.

Take for instance the photo I have included below. No badging except for the Camaro on the side........Sleeper or just a "Camaro " as you have so abundantly put it. Go ahead and jump on this "Just a Camaro " if you want to. but I guarantee you will not like the outcome.

How is going backwards a "cosmetic mod"? I will give you that it is personal taste as to what one wants on their car. And whatever a person wants on it I support 100%. It is there car.




If you do not know the differences you really should just leave it alone.

I do know the difference.
That is exactly the cars we would go after with our sleepers.

When I seen a car with the badges removed it was a dead give away that the owner was trying to be tricky.
A 396 SS with 327 emblems was what you had to watch for.