What the....?

[Squintz Palladoris]

3 Posts down would have been this one

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...77&postcount=6

[The Stig]

Originally Posted by Squintz Palladoris

3 Posts down would have been this one

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...77&postcount=6

My bad, it was 6 posts down.

[Squintz Palladoris]

Originally Posted by stieger

My bad, it was 6 posts down.

And my bad for being a smart ass.

While someone else posted something about Pedders in that thread. Whiteside didn't.

I havn't seen Whiteside bash another company on this board either. Still curious why he gets such a hard time on here.

Pete's support on this forum is second to none. He has answered alot of my questions on many occasions.

I made a mistake earlier and posted an assumption that all 3 were made in the same place. Untill it is stated that they are not I will still assume the same thing. Not that it really matters.

The one difference I can see with the Pedders is the adjutment on the rear shock. They have a different top piece that brings the knob out the side which keeps you from having to cut a hole in the car to access the adjustment knob. For some that alone may be worth the extra coin.

I am running the BC Racing coilovers on my car and I am satisfied with them. They are great for a bolt on coilover. At least the rears will be coming off soon as I am in need of a shorter shock for a different control arm design. Not sure who I am going to look to for the front strut if I change it, but it will need to have more travel (extension) than the BC. If I go with an external resevoir it will be a design that does not attach the resevoir to the unsprung side of the shock/strut.

Brad

[The Stig]

No worries. I'm a smart ass to so I can appreciate the humor. Just to clarify, I'm not calling anyone out nor am I trying to bash anyone. Like I said earlier: I am just quoting other people's posts. That's all. Pete asked what vendor said where BCs were made. I showed him the post. That's it.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by Squintz Palladoris

And my bad for being a smart ass.

While someone else posted something about Pedders in that thread. Whiteside didn't.

I havn't seen Whiteside bash another company on this board either. Still curious why he gets such a hard time on here.

Pete's support on this forum is second to none. He has answered alot of my questions on many occasions.

I made a mistake earlier and posted an assumption that all 3 were made in the same place. Untill it is stated that they are not I will still assume the same thing. Not that it really matters.

The one difference I can see with the Pedders is the adjutment on the rear shock. They have a different top piece that brings the knob out the side which keeps you from having to cut a hole in the car to access the adjustment knob. For some that alone may be worth the extra coin.

I am running the BC Racing coilovers on my car and I am satisfied with them. They are great for a bolt on coilover. At least the rears will be coming off soon as I am in need of a shorter shock for a different control arm design. Not sure who I am going to look to for the front strut if I change it, but it will need to have more travel (extension) than the BC. If I go with an external resevoir it will be a design that does not attach the resevoir to the unsprung side of the shock/strut.

Brad

Are you going dedicated drag?

[Squintz Palladoris]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Are you going dedicated drag?

More of a street strip setup that handles well on the street Pete. Trying to have a setup that works great at the strip but will not compramise too much if anything on the street.

The lower control arm will provide ample clearance for a wide 16" wheel with a low ride height.

It is going to take me a while as I don't have loads of cash to throw at it. I am not scared to spend the money though lol. One piece at a time. I should have the rear done in the next couple of months. Then I will worry with the front.

[Synner]

Originally Posted by Squintz Palladoris

I havn't seen Whiteside bash another company on this board either. Still curious why he gets such a hard time on here.

I have, said as such, and was then insulted and talked down to for a few days by PM until i got tired of it and blocked the messages. They won't get a dime from me ever.

[Squintz Palladoris]

Originally Posted by Synner

I have, said as such, and was then insulted and talked down to for a few days by PM until i got tired of it and blocked the messages. They won't get a dime from me ever.

Sorry to hear that.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by Squintz Palladoris

More of a street strip setup that handles well on the street Pete. Trying to have a setup that works great at the strip but will not compromise too much if anything on the street.

The lower control arm will provide ample clearance for a wide 16" wheel with a low ride height.

It is going to take me a while as I don't have loads of cash to throw at it. I am not scared to spend the money though lol. One piece at a time. I should have the rear done in the next couple of months. Then I will worry with the front.

In our testing we have found the best front coil to be 4.5kg.In our normal coilover setup we use a 180mm tall free height coil. On the drags we use a 250mm coil. We lengthen the front stroke by 25mm. Using the independent bound and rebound adjustments we set the bound high and the rebound low. The front is free to pop on launch for excellent weight transfer to the rear wheels. The hard bound slows the return to normal ride height keeping the rear wheels planted for the 1 2 shift.

In the rear, high RWHP vehicles running slicks squat so hard they can bounce off the bump stops. That is what held back the brand x coilover performance on the LPE Black Pig. The rear dampers needed more bound resistance, a lot more. We had to change the rear valving to get it under control. With the front providing greater transfer and the rear bound optimized we tuned with coils and settled on a 12kg rear coil. We stock 8, 9, 10 & 12kg rear coils so the setup can be tuned to the vehicle.

This is a hardcore setup that is not suited to the street. To have a very good drag launch and a great handling street car Pedders Supercars would be the way to go. You'll want a monster 32mm rear bar to help distribute load on launch at the strip, which just happens to corner exceptionally well. Disconnect your front bar for your strip runs. Adjust the front bound to max and rebound to soft. The rears should be mid point for both. You'll use your Pedders camber bolts to get your rear wheels square to the track. It will take no more than 30 minutes to remove on front endlink and secure as well as adjust all the damper settings.

Have I told you about our SP inspired Lay-Away Plan

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by Synner

I have, said as such, and was then insulted and talked down to for a few days by PM until i got tired of it and blocked the messages. They won't get a dime from me ever.

I need to gain clarity on this. You said something less than complimentary about Pedders and essentially received hate mail from a person at or affiliated with Pedders? I won't put you on the spot and ask you to post their names in the thread, but I would greatly appreciate it if you would take the time to send me an email so I can correct the situation. PGB@PeddersUSA.com

Until then, please accept my apologies for what I consider boorish behavior and completely unacceptable. At Pedders we compete hard, but we respect our competition. We are proud of our hard earned victories and humbled by our defeats. We expect everyone involved with Pedders to conduct themselves professionally as they are Pedders. I will find out who is responsible. I will correct it. Please accept my personal apology.

[Squintz Palladoris]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

In our testing we have found the best front coil to be 4.5kg.In our normal coilover setup we use a 180mm tall free height coil. On the drags we use a 250mm coil. We lengthen the front stroke by 25mm. Using the independent bound and rebound adjustments we set the bound high and the rebound low. The front is free to pop on launch for excellent weight transfer to the rear wheels. The hard bound slows the return to normal ride height keeping the rear wheels planted for the 1 2 shift.

In the rear, high RWHP vehicles running slicks squat so hard they can bounce off the bump stops. That is what held back the brand x coilover performance on the LPE Black Pig. The rear dampers needed more bound resistance, a lot more. We had to change the rear valving to get it under control. With the front providing greater transfer and the rear bound optimized we tuned with coils and settled on a 12kg rear coil. We stock 8, 9, 10 & 12kg rear coils so the setup can be tuned to the vehicle.

This is a hardcore setup that is not suited to the street. To have a very good drag launch and a great handling street car Pedders Supercars would be the way to go. You'll want a monster 32mm rear bar to help distribute load on launch at the strip, which just happens to corner exceptionally well. Disconnect your front bar for your strip runs. Adjust the front bound to max and rebound to soft. The rears should be mid point for both. You'll use your Pedders camber bolts to get your rear wheels square to the track. It will take no more than 30 minutes to remove on front endlink and secure as well as adjust all the damper settings.

Have I told you about our SP inspired Lay-Away Plan

Great info Pete as usual! Unfortunately the rear shock is not going to work for me. I need a rear shock length of 12.25" at ride height with around a 4" stroke, and that is with adding 1 inch to the top of the stock rear mount. I will be going with a double adjustable shock in the rear. More than likely will have to have it custom valved because most "Rear Shocks" are valved with a solid rear axle in mind and not IRS. The double adjustable shocks with an external can are double the cost of the ones without a can and I am trying not to skimp so it will take me a bit. I am tracking on the spring rates, you helped me with that before

I already have a Monster 35mm bar for the rear and will be getting a 35mm for the front. When the front gets disconnected I will pop both ends off and secure them, if not completely remove it from the car for weight.

You can PM me about the Layaway program lol. And let me know If you are interrested in selling me the front struts separately.

Sorry for the complete thread jack Nexus!

[Synner]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

I need to gain clarity on this. You said something less than complimentary about Pedders and essentially received hate mail from a person at or affiliated with Pedders? I won't put you on the spot and ask you to post their names in the thread, but I would greatly appreciate it if you would take the time to send me an email so I can correct the situation. PGB@PeddersUSA.com

Until then, please accept my apologies for what I consider boorish behavior and completely unacceptable. At Pedders we compete hard, but we respect our competition. We are proud of our hard earned victories and humbled by our defeats. We expect everyone involved with Pedders to conduct themselves professionally as they are Pedders. I will find out who is responsible. I will correct it. Please accept my personal apology.

No it was Whiteside, not Pedders. And I didn't say anything less than complimentary, just pointing out that they were bashing another vendor for no apparent reason.

[The Stig]

Originally Posted by Synner

No it was Whiteside, not Pedders. And I didn't say anything less than complimentary, just pointing out that they were bashing another vendor for no apparent reason.

Hmmmm

[Cammarrah]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

We don't talk about it what we might do, would like to do or think we can do. We prove what we can do and post the data. We go to the OPTIMA Challenge with one goal in mind -- do it better and faster than the other suspension companies. If and when they beat us, they can tell you they did and how much better they are. The fact is they haven't come close to us at the Challenge so they should stop talking. The Challenge is a National Televised Event. It isn't parking lots and cones. It is THE place to put up or shut up. Your question shouldn't be what is the difference in how Pedders manufactures, you should be asking brand-x why they can't beat Pedders and where is their data.

If you can find a suspension company that offers the level of detailed technical information Pedders has posted in this forum or on their websites or one that provides greater support to the Camaro community you should buy from them.

This thread is just getting ridiculous. This is exact crap I can't stand. From what I can find, you didn't even come close to winning the Optima Challenge. A Corvette did that was running a competitor's suspension. So you weren't better than any other suspension company. Why are you using this as a means to market your own product? Because you were faster than 1 other 5th gen camaro on the road course, and slower in the auto x where the LPE power (+150hp) had less effect? If I remember correctly, and I wasn't there, but the Camaro5 Fest II competition where 3 MAJOR suspension companies had 5th gen cars with equal power showed up, was won by someone else. Two other companies had cars that were faster than yours. So they CAN beat Pedders. Guess you fail to mention this... who said that Pedders doesn't try to bash other peoples product? More smoke and mirrors.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!