[OminouSS]

Originally Posted by DrkPhx

Keep in mind the OEM's rated curb weights includes a full tank of gas which adds a lot of weight.

And they should! The damned thing goes through a half tank in 23 minutes of track time. No lie.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by mdmoore23

The R does not sticker anywhere near $80k. Msrp starts at $62,195 and I don't think the car gets anymore expensive than $68k, even with every option available. The car would have been a good value, but the hype really seems to have driven folks crazy.

Not just hype, but mostly limited build. When only 500 are made per model year, supply is limited thus demand becomes high.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by mdmoore23

The R does not sticker anywhere near $80k. Msrp starts at $62,195 and I don't think the car gets anymore expensive than $68k, even with every option available. The car would have been a good value, but the hype really seems to have driven folks crazy.

The GT350R is $64,545 with no options

[Bosse'sBoss]

The ZL1 would smoke the GT350R, maybe the next GT500 could be on the same level, but GM has their secret weapon ZL1 1LE.
How does the ZL1 1LE compares to the Corvette's Z06 w/. Z07 package?

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

The ZL1 would smoke the GT350R, maybe the next GT500 could be on the same level, but GM has their secret weapon ZL1 1LE.
How does the ZL1 1LE compares to the Corvette's Z06 w/. Z07 package?

There is also the question of what engine is in the ZR1 that is currently testing at the Nurburgring and will it find it's way into the Camaro. Expectation is that the gen6 Camaro will be in production through MY 2020. I wouldn't be surprised if team Camaro still has a car up their sleeve for MY2019 to answer the GT500. Hard to believe that the mid cycle refresh will be without a new performance leader

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by hotlap

There is also the question of what engine is in the ZR1 that is currently testing at the Nurburgring and will it find it's way into the Camaro. Expectation is that the gen6 Camaro will be in production through MY 2020. I wouldn't be surprised if team Camaro still has a car up their sleeve for MY2019 to answer the GT500. Hard to believe that the mid cycle refresh will be without a new performance leader

I think we will see the mid cycle refresh in 2019 model year, then a Z/28 in 2020 MY, perhaps using a new N/A motor that may be debuting in mid-engine vette.

[Artos]

Originally Posted by mdmoore23

The R does not sticker anywhere near $80k. Msrp starts at $62,195 and I don't think the car gets anymore expensive than $68k, even with every option available. The car would have been a good value, but the hype really seems to have driven folks crazy.

Thanks!! But are they selling elsewhere...the 2-3 I saw many months ago are still sitting there.

Crazy

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

Not just hype, but mostly limited build. When only 500 are made per model year, supply is limited thus demand becomes high.

The cheapest USED one I can find is $85K...with only one new one left on Autotrader


http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...helby%20GT350R

[ELS1]

Randy posted an in-car teaser video (ZL1) on instagram.

https://instagram.com/p/BTFYx7VhgiY/

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by hotlap

I have no doubt that the ZL1 will put up a better lap time than the GT350R. Track cars is what Chevy does best and it has a huge power advantage. I just strongly feel that even being equal to both (GT350R and Hellcat) is a major accomplishment. Exceeding is pure excellence.

I agree and disagree. Being close to the hellcat in 1/4 time while putting up great road course times is a huge accomplishment. Shows what a great well rounded car it is.

But at the same time I don't think it should be considered exceeding when you are beating a car down 120 HP and 200 some pound feet of torque. That to me is like a heavy weight boxer bragging about knocking out a middle weight

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I agree and disagree. Being close to the hellcat in 1/4 time while putting up great road course times is a huge accomplishment. Shows what a great well rounded car it is.

But at the same time I don't think it should be considered exceeding when you are beating a car down 120 HP and 200 some pound feet of torque. That to me is like a heavy weight boxer bragging about knocking out a middle weight

I disagree. In the last generation, the lighter, naturally aspirated Boss 302 and Z/28 were faster than the more powerful GT500 and ZL1. The GT350R weighs 276 lbs less (3,650 vs 3,926 lbs) and has carbon-fiber wheels that remove 16 lbs of unsprung weight at each corner. If the ZL1 post a faster lap it will be a major accomplishment.

The GT350R is special with a chassis designed specifically for the Mustang with a track specific FPC engine, etc. The ZL1 is a bottom breathing parts bin car built on a sedan chassis with a band aided LT4 engine.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/...-drive-review/

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevr...e-squad-goals/

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I agree and disagree. Being close to the hellcat in 1/4 time while putting up great road course times is a huge accomplishment. Shows what a great well rounded car it is.

But at the same time I don't think it should be considered exceeding when you are beating a car down 120 HP and 200 some pound feet of torque. That to me is like a heavy weight boxer bragging about knocking out a middle weight

Funny to focus on the one and only thing that is far less important than all the advantages the 350r has.

I guess tires don't matter this time around for starters lol

It's a touring car vs a race car. Pretty amazing engineers at GM to have a car like that run with fords purpose built race car.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by hotlap

The GT350R is $64,545 with no options

Wow!, my GS/Z07 was only about $6K more than this MSRP.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

I think we will see the mid cycle refresh in 2019 model year, then a Z/28 in 2020 MY, perhaps using a new N/A motor that may be debuting in mid-engine vette.

That's my guess.