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07-21-2008, 10:28 PM | #127 | |
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Originally Posted by 91Z28350 Scott, will there be info on the Z28 in the upcoming July 22nd dealers presentation? Probably not -- it's a while out yet." link http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/show...618923&page=14 post 199. |
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07-21-2008, 10:35 PM | #128 |
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This is why speculation can be dangerous. When we expect very specific things, we tend to get let down some of the time. I, however, still believe that some sort of performance Camaro will exist on the same tier as the Corvette ZR1. On the bright side, we get more than 400 horses in a manual. We are barely following the Corvette. Just a tune will change that. The SS strategy means that people who wanted a base V8 also get a top V8, and that top V8 beats all of the muscle car competition.
This brings up the Corvette problem. Because the Z06 has 505 horsepower and rocks the LS7, there is no reason to believe that a super Camaro will have more horsepower than a performance Corvette. If that were the case, then the Corvette would have to be faster. A high-performance Camaro would be different. Since the ZR1 is even faster than the Z06, a Camaro ZL1 would be able to play hardball with more horsepower than a Z06 if released. The problem with this idea is that the ZR1 audience is the same as the ZL1 audience—people who like ridiculously fast cars and exotics, usually Ferraris and Lamborghinis. While the Camaro would look different, it would be limited by Corvette ZR1 performance. Passing the Corvette on the track would endanger the status of the Corvette on the Chevy totem pole. From a business perspective, this move is consistent with the corporate structure of Chevrolet. Now, the Camaro has all the ordinary trims except for the LTZ. Apparently, the RS is the appearance difference between a V6 and a V8 except for the mail slot at the front. Chevrolet does well to stay organized this way. Hopefully this does not mean that the Z06 will become SS in the future. That would be bad for the Corvette's heritage. I guarantee there is in-fighting over the Z28 issue. From a business perspective, the Z28 impedes the SS as a top tier and confuses an otherwise organized system of labeling cars. From a traditional Chevy fan's perspective, losing the Z28 is like losing a friend. I wouldn't count it out yet, though. Whoever wanted GM to build the ZR1 is still there, loving cars and performance in the same way we do. That is why I'm not concerned about the Camaro's future. If we don't see a Z28 ever again, we'll still see a Camaro that beats all of the competition.
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07-21-2008, 10:37 PM | #129 | |
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what I take from that is there will be no info released right now since it is a year out, just like we have not received any info specific to the Vert. |
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07-21-2008, 10:48 PM | #130 |
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07-21-2008, 10:50 PM | #131 | |
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07-21-2008, 10:52 PM | #132 | |
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she did NOT say there would be no Z28..........once again, one of us has been misquoted. |
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07-21-2008, 10:53 PM | #133 | |
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07-21-2008, 10:55 PM | #134 |
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I highly doubt that the convertible will be any different from the information we already have. Expect the same motors and options. I think they just have to build the frame differently.
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07-21-2008, 10:56 PM | #135 |
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I have some old Z28 badges laying around someplace
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07-21-2008, 10:59 PM | #136 |
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so do I. but I'm not slapping them on a car that doesn't deserve it. if it's an SS it's an SS. if it's an RS/SS then it's an RS/SS. but doesn't mean it's worth a Z28 moniker.
maybe if I drop a carbon fiber hood and deck lid on it along with other light weight parts, strip the interior and add power I could slap them on there. but. . .yea. |
07-21-2008, 10:59 PM | #137 |
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If this is true, I feel let down. It seems as though the Camaro enthusiast may have to continue to take a back seat to the Corvette. Where we are forced to accept limited performance assets so as not to step on the toes of the more expensive Corvette. In part of the article, CP reference attracting new buyers that may not be familiar with the history of the Camaro. Think about it, for those customers, they could careless if there was a Z-28 or not.
What is sooo disappointing to me would be the fact that we all know GM has the 500+ hp powertrain that can placed in a real-top dawg Camaro. While 400+hp is not too bad, I would feel short changed. Honestly, I don't really care if it is called a Z-28 or not, but it seems to me what is being offered for the powertrain in the SS - Manual, is essentially the same thing that was in the GTO. I am still a fan of the new design, but I feel as though GM is capable of doing so much more, especially on such an iconic car. |
07-21-2008, 11:01 PM | #138 |
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OK -- everybody --
CALM DOWN!!!!! Has ANYONE noted the articles about GM and Ford and Chrysler in the past couple of weeks? Has anyone noticed what's happened to the retail automobile business? The bottom line is that the auto world is changing -- in fact, you COULD say we just had an earthquake. NOw -- I've said this several times -- on several forums -- so please -- pay attention.......... Every product program is being looked at. We (the big three) MUST look at every program - because if we don't - (well.......I don't even want to think of what the future might be if we didn't ........) The Z28 is not dead. We have not announced when this nameplate may be back. I'll say -- as I have continued to say -- HAVE FAITH. On an interesting sidenote: you'd be surprised as to the number of people who have called me wanting to do some 'high performance' Camaros. (go look at some of the stuff that was created in 2000 to 2002.......) Now -- some of you say "well.......I don't want to buy an SS and then have the Z28 come out....." -- and to you I say "do you REALLY believe that we'll suddenly 'plateau' -- and that what you buy will be the 'end all?'...... Keep the faith, my friends - keep the faith. |
07-21-2008, 11:03 PM | #139 | |
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07-21-2008, 11:05 PM | #140 |
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Too be honest, I could care less if there's a Z28, SS, RS, BS, V6, V8, V3578. What totally had me entranced with this car from day one was the body of the concept car itself and the unique interior. And to now know that in just a little less than a year I'm going to be able to have something that beautiful in my drive way that looks almost identical to that concept is amazing to me. When you think about how many final products look nothing like the concept, it just astounds me how close the Camaro team kept it. I've said it before and i'll say it again...in my opinion, this is a homerun.
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