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Junkman2008 · 03-13-2013, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by AbsoluteMayheM

I could be wrong, but some of the videos show and say that the system pumps water up to the pads.

I was just also thinking it would just be as effective to have something floating under the guard for boyance to just soak the pad buy pressing it up and down.

@about 40 seconds into the video he illustrates the water pumping jets.

What I have highlighted in bold is exactly what happens, although there is nothing floating. The Grit Guard insert is held up by 4, spring loaded cones. As a matter of fact, I explain in my videos that there is no motor or any kind of mechanically powered device inside the bucket, which makes me cringe at the price.

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Originally Posted by ihaveacamaro

I'm not sure if yours an older version or not but if you push down on your grit guard insert, see if in four spots water pushes up like a squirt. That's how mine works. I don't know if that's technically called a pump, but that's what it looks like to me

There is only one version of the Pad Washer by Grit Guard. It has never changed.

You are both being fooled by physics. Water will always take the path of least resistance. Look at the diagram below for clarity.

If you look at part #6, you will see that each of the 4 cones has a hole in the top of it. Those cones are submerged BELOW the water line and thus, water is not only around them but also INSIDE them (those cones are completely open on the bottom of them where the springs are shown). When you press down on the Grit Guard insert (#5), the water inside the bucket takes the path of least resistance and squirts through those 4 holes. At this point, the Grit Guard insert itself is completely submerged below the water line (depending on how hard you press), so the water also goes around those cones and through the Grit Guard insert itself, which also saturates your pad. The springs inside the cones allow them to go down and against part #8, which creates the pressure necessary to force water through the holes on the top of each cone. Most of the water has no place to go but through the holes in the top of each cone.

That how it works gents. No smoke and mirrors and stuff you see in Las Vegas. Nothing but physics. It's just water taking the path of least resistance.

AdamZ · 03-13-2013, 01:10 AM

Hey Junkman...I know in your vid you said 70 degrees is ideal. Any issues doing the 2 bucket wash, polish, and sealant in, say, 45 degrees

I have a bunch of shows coming up soon and no decent weather

. I'm not sure how the cool weather will effect the products...especially the sealant binding to the clear coat.

Junkman2008 · 03-13-2013, 01:20 AM

The sealant issue is something that you are going to have to ask the manufacture. Only they will be able to tell you the best and worst conditions for their product's application. Washing is fine, you're just going to have some COLD fingers. I suggest using hot water to help keep your fingers from freezing. Polishes are in the same category as your sealant. Some work fine at cold temperatures, some not so well. Some work really well when it is hot outside as long as the surface of the car is not hot. I never subject myself to those extremes because I don't want any issues working against me. Thus, I don't see the issues that some of you guys experience who do not have a heated garage to work in.

I feel your pain but I am not going to experience it and report back.

AdamZ · 03-13-2013, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Junkman2008

The sealant issue is something that you are going to have to ask the manufacture. Only they will be able to tell you the best and worst conditions for their product's application. Washing is fine, you're just going to have some COLD fingers. I suggest using hot water to help keep your fingers from freezing. Polishes are in the same category as your sealant. Some work fine at cold temperatures, some not so well. Some work really well when it is hot outside as long as the surface of the car is not hot. I never subject myself to those extremes because I don't want any issues working against me. Thus, I don't see the issues that some of you guys experience who do not have a heated garage to work in.

I feel your pain but I am not going to experience it and report back.

I understand lol thanks

AbsoluteMayheM · 03-13-2013, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Junkman2008

You are both being fooled by physics. Water will always take the path of least resistance. Look at the diagram below for clarity.

If you look at part #6, you will see that each of the 4 cones has a hole in the top of it. Those cones are submerged BELOW the water line and thus, water is not only around them but also INSIDE them (those cones are completely open on the bottom of them where the springs are shown).

What you are calling cones, I am calling the pumps. I understand how physics work, I was just saying that maybe you could replace items 6 to 9 in your illustration and have something that floats to replace the springs/cones or pumps. see my illustration below the red item #6.

Maybe it could be a plastic ring or a styrofoam ring or a small rubber tube?

AbsoluteMayheM · 03-13-2013, 06:00 AM

I just cant get past paying $130 for a plastic bucket, some more plastic and a few springs. if it was like 49.99 I might just be worth it for my time spent cleaning a few pads. From the videos it does not look the the water jets do THAT much, it was more like the majority of the work was done by the grit guard on the pad.

Junkman2008 · 03-13-2013, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by AbsoluteMayheM

I just cant get past paying $130 for a plastic bucket, some more plastic and a few springs. if it was like 49.99 I might just be worth it for my time spent cleaning a few pads. From the videos it does not look the the water jets do THAT much, it was more like the majority of the work was done by the grit guard on the pad.

Congratulations. You've figured it out. The machine spinning the pad against the Grit Guard insert is what cleans the pad. The "pumping of the water" does nothing but help get the pad wet. Other than that, it does nothing in the cleaning process.

I've been using this thing for years. The operation is NOT rocket science.

Junkman2008 · 03-14-2013, 10:05 PM

Borderless Blond towels from Zaino are back in stock! Get'em while they last!

AdamZ · 03-14-2013, 10:07 PM

30 minutes ahead of you haha

2010 SSRS · 03-14-2013, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamZ

30 minutes ahead of you haha

clean that SS now

AdamZ · 03-14-2013, 10:10 PM

JOE IT'S CLEAN. IF I CLEAN IT ANYMORE IT'S GOING TO TURN SUMMIT WHITE.

2010 SSRS · 03-14-2013, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamZ

JOE IT'S CLEAN. IF I CLEAN IT ANYMORE IT'S GOING TO TURN SUMMIT WHITE.

then you be cool like Violent Vinny, lol

tramtwo · 03-14-2013, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkman2008

Borderless Blond towels from Zaino are back in stock! Get'em while they last!

God bless the smart phone.... 6 should hold me for a while.

Thanks JM!!

tramtwo posted this on the go

CHMSC · 03-14-2013, 11:25 PM

Your videos are great and we appreciate you making them.......but I have a few questions for you.

How should we polish the edges? Like on the fender edge, around the cowl of the hood or body lines?

How many Zaino towels do you recommend for a polish job?

Which waffle weave towels do you recommend?

What wax and sealant would you use?

03-13-2013, 01:20 AM	#199
Junkman2008 "Detailing Devil Dog" Drives: 2001 Corvette Coupe Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 2,730	The sealant issue is something that you are going to have to ask the manufacture. Only they will be able to tell you the best and worst conditions for their product's application. Washing is fine, you're just going to have some COLD fingers. I suggest using hot water to help keep your fingers from freezing. Polishes are in the same category as your sealant. Some work fine at cold temperatures, some not so well. Some work really well when it is hot outside as long as the surface of the car is not hot. I never subject myself to those extremes because I don't want any issues working against me. Thus, I don't see the issues that some of you guys experience who do not have a heated garage to work in. I feel your pain but I am not going to experience it and report back. __________________ "Marines - Making the other guy die for his country for over 200 years."

03-14-2013, 10:05 PM	#204
Junkman2008 "Detailing Devil Dog" Drives: 2001 Corvette Coupe Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 2,730	Borderless Blond towels from Zaino are back in stock! Get'em while they last! __________________ "Marines - Making the other guy die for his country for over 200 years."

03-14-2013, 11:25 PM	#210
CHMSC ROAD COURSE JUNKIE Drives: 2012 SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Somewhere Posts: 4,868 View My Garage	Your videos are great and we appreciate you making them.......but I have a few questions for you. How should we polish the edges? Like on the fender edge, around the cowl of the hood or body lines? How many Zaino towels do you recommend for a polish job? Which waffle weave towels do you recommend? What wax and sealant would you use? __________________

03-13-2013, 01:10 AM	#198
AdamZ Account Suspended Drives: Eve - 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Fairfield, OH Posts: 11,815	Hey Junkman...I know in your vid you said 70 degrees is ideal. Any issues doing the 2 bucket wash, polish, and sealant in, say, 45 degrees I have a bunch of shows coming up soon and no decent weather . I'm not sure how the cool weather will effect the products...especially the sealant binding to the clear coat.

03-13-2013, 06:00 AM	#202
AbsoluteMayheM LongTimeLurker Drives: 2011 SIM 2SS/RS Convertible L99 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Napanee, Ontario Posts: 434 View My Garage	I just cant get past paying $130 for a plastic bucket, some more plastic and a few springs. if it was like 49.99 I might just be worth it for my time spent cleaning a few pads. From the videos it does not look the the water jets do THAT much, it was more like the majority of the work was done by the grit guard on the pad.

03-14-2013, 10:07 PM	#205
AdamZ Account Suspended Drives: Eve - 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Fairfield, OH Posts: 11,815	30 minutes ahead of you haha

03-14-2013, 10:10 PM	#207
AdamZ Account Suspended Drives: Eve - 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Fairfield, OH Posts: 11,815	JOE IT'S CLEAN. IF I CLEAN IT ANYMORE IT'S GOING TO TURN SUMMIT WHITE.