10-18-2013, 04:50 PM | #29 | |
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10-18-2013, 05:18 PM | #31 |
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Stiff racing suspensions don't like city streets. Urban driving on average streets could do some serious damage if the streets have potholes or bucked joints. Racing suspension bends and is unforgiving.
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It won't be a Z/28 without 305/30/19. The Trofeo tires can be driven on the street within certain parameters, but will not last long. A new Z/28 owner can swap out the Trofeos with Bridgestone RE-11s. The RE-11s will deliver about the same tire life as the GYs on the 1LE and Zl1 and do quite well on track. The other option that would be my personal preference is to order a set of Frogline wheels for the track. Put the new Trofeos on the Forgelines and Bridgestone RE-11s on the OEM Z/28 wheels. An SS style staggered wheel and tire setup will add understeer to a car that was designed to be neutral. It s no different than drawing a mustache on the Mona Lisa. Quote:
I have driven my Camaro in Chicago, Detroit, Philly, NYC and through the rural areas of Pennsylvania on 305/30/19s with 10kg coils. Unlike the Z/28 my Camaro suspension replaced every OEM rubber bushing with urethane or steel jacketed urethane bushings with the exception of the front inner LCA. With 27mm front and 32mm rear sway bars every automotive engineer insisted the ride would be terrible. When I took them out in the car or let a few actually drive they were stunned. Ride quality is relative. Coming out of a 74 Caddy the ride quality would be shocking. For those that love to drive performance vehicles I think they will find the Z/28 a great daily driver with or without AC and stereo. The problem I have with cars this competent is speed is relative. Did I really just enter the expressway at 130 MPH? Nah. That would never happen. Last edited by JusticePete; 10-18-2013 at 06:55 PM. |
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Thanks for the real-life perspective and bullet points. Treating it as a momentum car makes sense given the heft you are throwing around. You can't expect a fat girl to transition quickly (physics and all that good stuff). As well, trying to launch quickly from corners would suffer the same limitations (accelerating the mass). So I appreciate your comment because I hadn't really thought driving it like that. It seems to me this car would also take well to really hammering rumblestrips/berms? The suspension looks to soak up some big berms that other cars would be thrown off balance by? Urethane will be luxurious and I'm looking forward to it :-) I've suffered many miles road and track with full spherical-ended and metal bushed suspensions. My ears and ass hurt just thinking about it...lol. Didn't I read the Z/28 will have urethane bushes? Or did they just go with stiffer rubber ones? |
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10-18-2013, 08:32 PM | #34 |
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It would be interesting to know the difference in brake wear, over the 24-hour test, between the ZL1 and the Z/28...
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10-18-2013, 08:37 PM | #35 | |
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Final specs have not been released, but from what I have seen on the mules the Z/28 leaves the factory with rubber bushings. I am guessing 1LE sub-frame bushings, but that s just a guess. The mules I have seen may not be a good representation of what they just ran at the Ring. I laugh to myself every time i think - momentum car with a LS7 in it |
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Bear in mind the primary benefits of the CC, after reduced rotating mass and unsprung weight are no warping and consistent pedal feel lap after lap (no fading). Also those calipers are Brembo's newer style, much more rigid than previous iterations which yields a very firm pedal and less pad taper (leading/trailing) as they wear. A rock hard brake pedal lap after lap is one of the best features of a "real" track car, confidence inspiring and every bit as enjoyable as a responsive engine. Quote:
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...thanks for reminding me, the front splitter is a parking barrier potential nightmare for the ride....
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10-18-2013, 10:10 PM | #40 |
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Really, it comes down to this:
If you are true enthusiast, you could probably drive the Z/28 every day and love every minute of it having no complaints at all. (This is where I raise my hand...) Now, if you are not a true car enthusiast who just likes the looks of the Z/28 but you're expecting the "around town ride" of a luxurious Cadillac, then your going to be disappointed.
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