Deatschwerk or Racetronix Injectors

[Louis @ LG Motorsports]

Originally Posted by camaro1

the 5th gen camaro e38 ecm's go all the way up to 127#/hr injectors before any scaling is needed

Thats correct, which was a new addition to the cal software recently.

I would run a stock injector in anything under 550 rwhp.

[hapisok]

Originally Posted by Louis @ LG Motorsports

When you put a new injector in your car, the flow rates, low pulsewidth modulation, linearity all change.

If you just change the one big table in your computer, for injector flow rate, you are missing 5 other tables that MUST change with a new injector.

When you buy a FAST, DW, Or seiments, or what ever injector, they do not provide the necessary offset, min PWs, etc etc data that WE NEED as calibrators.

Injector dynamics does. They give you the data you need, to make the car run correctly.

There is a reason that there has been a mass movement to Injector Dynamics. Yes, its the cool thing to have, and there is a reason, its the cool thing to have.

If your tuner doesnt understand the necessary tables that must be modified with new injectors, then he doesnt need to be tuning. Hes "tooning" not "tuning".

If you bring me a car with an aftermarket set of injectors, and you cannot provide me the data I need to do my job, I wont tune it. Its as simple as that.

Louis

thank you...that clears a lot of it up. i understand where your coming from and your point of view as a tuner/calibrator. but i don't want to jump on the band wagon just because...i want to know why so i can make an informed decision and understand why im doing it.

what is your experience with tuning a NA on E85 with stock injectors? any recommendations?

is this data something they will not release or only when requested?

[Louis @ LG Motorsports]

Injector dynamics tests and measures extremely accurately what the injectors do at LOW pulsewidths. They can tell you what they do.

the other injectors lack data, because most dont have it.

Taken from the ID site-

A Little Bit About the Injector Dynamics Technology

Simply stated, a fuel injector is a dynamic device. It does not operate in a wide open or "static" condition. To learn anything of value about a fuel injector, it must be tested dynamically.

It must also be tested in an environment that simulates real world conditions as closely as possible. This means testing with temperature controlled gasoline, methanol, E85 or whatever fluid will actually be used on the running engine.

This type of testing is referred to as dynamic characterization, and was recently introduced to the racing industry by Yawpower in collaboration with Motec USA.

The Products

Injector Dynamics fuel injectors are the result of batch testing large quantities of specially modified fuel injectors, and then carefully matching them into sets based on their dynamic flow across the pulsewidth range. The result is vastly superior cylinder to cylinder consistency, even at very low pulsewidths.

In addition to receiving tightly matched injectors, you will be provided with dead time compensation values across the entire pressure and voltage range of the injector. This data will insure that the compensations in your ECU work properly, and your air fuel ratios will remain consistent as atmospheric or voltage conditions change.

[IndeedSS1]

I would call to find out what information is available.
http://www.deatschwerks.com/fuel-injector-tech/

I know Steck loves the IDs though and uses them in his 1000hp Corvette.

[Louis @ LG Motorsports]

If Steck is tuning it, you are in good hands.

[IndeedSS1]

Originally Posted by Louis @ LG Motorsports

If Steck is tuning it, you are in good hands.

He lives about 3 miles the way the bird flies from me.

[Louis @ LG Motorsports]

Let me guess.... He said IDs....

[IndeedSS1]

Originally Posted by Louis @ LG Motorsports

Let me guess.... He said IDs....

I wasn't asking for myself because I don't need injectors, but that is the only brand he sells or recommends.

[Nitroman28]

Originally Posted by Louis @ LG Motorsports

When you put a new injector in your car, the flow rates, low pulsewidth modulation, linearity all change.

If you just change the one big table in your computer, for injector flow rate, you are missing 5 other tables that MUST change with a new injector.

When you buy a FAST, DW, Or seiments, or what ever injector, they do not provide the necessary offset, min PWs, etc etc data that WE NEED as calibrators.

Injector dynamics does. They give you the data you need, to make the car run correctly.

There is a reason that there has been a mass movement to Injector Dynamics. Yes, its the cool thing to have, and there is a reason, its the cool thing to have.

If your tuner doesnt understand the necessary tables that must be modified with new injectors, then he doesnt need to be tuning. Hes "tooning" not "tuning".

If you bring me a car with an aftermarket set of injectors, and you cannot provide me the data I need to do my job, I wont tune it. Its as simple as that.

Louis

If that's the case why do you sell these?

https://www.lgmotorsports.com/produc...oducts_id=2188

[Lethal Racing]

Don't tell all the "tooners" too many secrets of the fundamentals of tuning. Those poor guys tuning with injectors with no data

Originally Posted by Louis @ LG Motorsports

When you put a new injector in your car, the flow rates, low pulsewidth modulation, linearity all change.

If you just change the one big table in your computer, for injector flow rate, you are missing 5 other tables that MUST change with a new injector.

When you buy a FAST, DW, Or seiments, or what ever injector, they do not provide the necessary offset, min PWs, etc etc data that WE NEED as calibrators.

Injector dynamics does. They give you the data you need, to make the car run correctly.

There is a reason that there has been a mass movement to Injector Dynamics. Yes, its the cool thing to have, and there is a reason, its the cool thing to have.

If your tuner doesnt understand the necessary tables that must be modified with new injectors, then he doesnt need to be tuning. Hes "tooning" not "tuning".

If you bring me a car with an aftermarket set of injectors, and you cannot provide me the data I need to do my job, I wont tune it. Its as simple as that.

Louis

[beefcake]

I would stay away from anything of Deatsch Werks.

We have seen a rash of pumps going bad quick on e85 in the mustang community.

They refuse to warranty the pumps, and keep blaming installs, or whatever excuse they can come up with.

I've dealt with ID for some time, great company, great customer support, and they know their stuff

[hapisok]

Originally Posted by beefcake

I would stay away from anything of Deatsch Werks.

We have seen a rash of pumps going bad quick on e85 in the mustang community.

They refuse to warranty the pumps, and keep blaming installs, or whatever excuse they can come up with.

I've dealt with ID for some time, great company, great customer support, and they know their stuff

good to know...thanks

nice lookin cars btw