Is this considered excessive force?

[prostock69]

Originally Posted by Blade

Everyone's an idiot in that video.

1) Apparently it all escalated from a jaywalking crime. So the officer decides to exercise a pretty useless law in the middle of the day.
2) Idiot #1: The jaywalker who decided to resist arrest. By being beligerent and trying to run/walk away from the cop.
3) Idiot #2: Her sister who decides lets gang up on the cop, because you know at this point the cop is pissed and nothing better than to resist and engage a pissed off cop.
4) Idiot #3: The cop, obviously had no control of a situation that didn't require such a mess. And also forgot that this is 2010 and everyone's got a cell phone camera.

I agree on all four accounts. Ticketing someone for jaywalking is just ridiculous. Which I'm sure is why the woman was resisting his attempts to detain her for it. However, she should have complied, took her ticket and fought it in court. He's just doing his job. HOWEVER, him hitting this woman in the face because she shoves him is ridiculous. Is this the "maneuver" cops are being trained to use when they can't get someone to comply? I don't think so. He punched her because he lost control of the situation and he let his anger get the best of him. Not good.

[Havok]

Originally Posted by prostock69

I agree on all four accounts. Ticketing someone for jaywalking is just ridiculous. Which I'm sure is why the woman was resisting his attempts to detain her for it. However, she should have complied, took her ticket and fought it in court. He's just doing his job. HOWEVER, him hitting this woman in the face because she shoves him is ridiculous. Is this the "maneuver" cops are being trained to use when they can't get someone to comply? I don't think so. He punched her because he lost control of the situation and he let his anger get the best of him. Not good.

1. I don't think she was getting the ticket.

2. You can't take just what you see from this video. I'm sure the person didn't have it out right when it happened so there is probably more before this that we don't know about.

Did the cop use excessive force? I don't know as I'd have to see what was going on before this was filming. As like someone else said it kind of disgust me to see a bunch of people just standing around with their camera phones out probably hoping to send it into the news organizations to show how another cop goes about beating on a poor helpless woman that was trying to help someone.

As for jaywalking its kind of a dumb law, but sometimes when you get those people who just jump out of no where into the road and you have to stop on a dime or you'll hit the person while they go on to take like 20 minutes to walk across the street because they feel that they own the road or something it doesn't look like that dumb of a law.

[Milk 1027]

Ok. I retract my statement after watching the video again.

The womean pretty much attacked him while he was trying to arrest the other one. She had no right to even be nearby him when that was going on. He was already in a dangerous situation as it is.


But one thing, I didn't see a gun in the video. Can someone point it out?

[WadeWilson]

In a stressful and potential dangerous situation I feel he handled the situation as he saw fit. He didn't know if the woman who attacked him was armed or what. She had no business interfering or attacking the officer. It's pretty simple, follow the laws and don't put yourself in a situation like that. Most people have little use or respect for law enforcement unless they are in need of help.

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

But one thing, I didn't see a gun in the video. Can someone point it out?

If you watch the above video (the second one), it is at about 1:30 on the video.

Here's a picture as well - look in the lower left. Video shows longer and clearer though:

[FenwickHockey65]

Excessive force? No way. I've seen cops use Tasers for less. That officer showed incredible restraint.

[Milk 1027]

Sorry, but it still doesn't look like a gun to me.

[Keedy]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

Sorry, but it still doesn't look like a gun to me.

agreed. It doesn't have enough form. To me, it looks like a rectangular shape in a dark colored bag, and he's holding the item while the excess bag hangs down.

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by Keedy

agreed. It doesn't have enough form. To me, it looks like a rectangular shape in a dark colored bag, and he's holding the item while the excess bag hangs down.

I full-screened the video and watched frame by frame...after watching it several times, it really could be a gun. Nothing conclusive, but the way he carries it definately makes it seem to be one.

Here's another pic:

[2010 SSRS]

The cop should have arrested all those idiots.

[WhiteSnake79]

I'm pretty sure that's a gun, and if it is, that dude should be arrested as well. What sorry excuses for youth these days. Not only the two females resisiting arrest, but the D-Bags standing around that close; cussing and interfering like that. Makes me sick.

[tjbusa]

I'm taking the officers side too, I don't know how I would have reacted if I were in his situation but welts on the perpetrator would be the same result.

[Iwantone2]

The cop did have what looked like a standing arm-triangle on the girl at one point...and that does look like a gun to me...

Even the dude in the teal (?) colored shirt was trying to hold her back so that she would not get involved

[04Ram2500Hemi]

If the lady had walked up to the officer like he had asked, there would have been no issues at all. I've only had a couple of interactions with police, but every time I have done exactly like I'm told, I've been respectful, and I have had no issues at all.