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LAWMAN · 11-17-2009, 11:57 AM

its all in one's own interpetation of "perhaps"...which to me means it's being knocked around,..meaning there has not been a definate decision made yet,it needs more in-depth thought as far as would it be profitable,..i would think that a t/t v-6 camaro would put out about the same hp as a m6 "ss" but cost more than the "ss" at about maybe 5 more mpg's...but who could keep their foot out of a twin turbo??

OUTATIME · 11-17-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ROD1

No way! warranty issues alone makes it impossible. Imagine what a motor that would handle (within intelligent warranty decisions) twin turbos would cost?

While it may be a bit more expensive than the current V6, it's definitely possible. A good example is the BMW 3 series TT V6 - already underrated, it produces a lot more than the rated ~300 hp (reliably) and can easily get like 25% more with the proper tune. It's even present in a car in the sub $30k bracket.

That said, I think it would be an awesome competitor for the next V6 mustang, but not as the Z28. From what I can think of, there isn't a lot of weight saving either, but at least the fuel economy is there.

*radz28* · 11-17-2009, 12:43 PM

If I can find a 425 horse' TT V6 with 29 MPG, in a car this heave, I'll be very suprised.

*radz28* · 11-17-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OUTATIME

While it may be a bit more expensive than the current V6, it's definitely possible. A good example is the BMW 3 series TT V6 - already underrated, it produces a lot more than the rated ~300 hp (reliably) and can easily get like 25% more with the proper tune. It's even present in a car in the sub $30k bracket.

That said, I think it would be an awesome competitor for the next V6 mustang, but not as the Z28. From what I can think of, there isn't a lot of weight saving either, but at least the fuel economy is there.

Revo1 · 11-17-2009, 12:54 PM

Cool beans. I know that they're on the prowl for more efficient drivetrains, and I'm glad to see they're not going to abandon horsepower... All I can say is that they better keep the V8 in production just as long as they possibly can. Because when it goes, I'm going to

ShnOmac · 11-17-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SSARME

bring it down to 3200lbs

No way thats gonna happen.... Im just sayin

Savini · 11-17-2009, 01:09 PM

After coming back from SEMA, I thought we were going to see the LSA-powered Z28 making a return for 2011?

I don't see the lineup including a TT V6 option, but it certainly would be interesting.

96CAMaro · 11-17-2009, 01:11 PM

Twin turbo V6

. This will probably add another, what - 5-7K? You will then have a V6 Camaro that is roughly on par with the V8 for the same price.

Super83Z · 11-17-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DropTheGloves

You need to do a little more reading/research pumpkin. If you actually read what I had to write about, is that the caprice, may be coming as a cop car, but will not be released to the public. Hence certain underlining...

Your arguing semantics, fact is the car is coming just not the way you want it to, pookie.

TJ91 · 11-17-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SSmoked

thats good that they might be bringing out a TTV6 camaro just dont put a Z/28 badge on it.

please name it someting else.....leave the LSA for the Z

96CAMaro · 11-17-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TJ91

please name it someting else.....leave the LSA for the Z

a_Username · 11-17-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 96CAMaro

Twin turbo V6

. This will probably add another, what - 5-7K? You will then have a V6 Camaro that is roughly on par with the V8 for the same price.

It wouldn't get a good 0-60 time compared to the SS considering the turbo needs time to spool up. IMO, I don't think it would be a good move for GM to make two trim levels that would have similar performance numbers.

PUNCH IT · 11-17-2009, 02:12 PM

I don't understand why everyone thinks the Z28 has to be more powerful than the SS. The Z28 has never been more powerfull than the SS. The old aluminum DZ302 motors were lighter, and the cars had better handling/braking than the SS for road racing. They were never more powerful than the SS's.

I for one am pissed that GM painted themselves into a corner by using the SS badge on everything from trucks to HHR's and cobalts, so that now they have to resurect Z28 as an upgraded model to the SS.

The TTv6 would make a perfect Z28 because it would be almost as powerful as a V8, but it would be lighter and quicker in the twisties.

I think they should offer the TT V6 with upgraded suspension/brakes like the old Z28, as a Z28, and make an even more powerful SS, maybe LSA, or LS7.

Just my 2 cents, but you know I'm right.

a_Username · 11-17-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PUNCH IT

I don't understand why everyone thinks the Z28 has to be more powerful than the SS. The Z28 has never been more powerfull than the SS. The old aluminum DZ302 motors were lighter, and the cars had better handling/braking than the SS for road racing. They were never more powerful than the SS's.

I for one am pissed that GM painted themselves into a corner by using the SS badge on everything from trucks to HHR's and cobalts, so that now they have to resurect Z28 as an upgraded model to the SS.

The TTv6 would make a perfect Z28 because it would be almost as powerful as a V8, but it would be lighter and quicker in the twisties.

I think they should offer the TT V6 with upgraded suspension/brakes like the old Z28, as a Z28, and make an even more powerful SS, maybe LSA, or LS7.

Just my 2 cents, but you know I'm right.

In reality the motor you speak of was heavily under rated and dyno'd around 400HP, so it was actually more powerful than the SS.

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96CAMaro Drives: '02 Impreza 2.5RS Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 304	Twin turbo V6 . This will probably add another, what - 5-7K? You will then have a V6 Camaro that is roughly on par with the V8 for the same price.

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PUNCH IT Drives: 2017 NGM SS 1LE Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hillsboro, Oregon Posts: 53	I don't understand why everyone thinks the Z28 has to be more powerful than the SS. The Z28 has never been more powerfull than the SS. The old aluminum DZ302 motors were lighter, and the cars had better handling/braking than the SS for road racing. They were never more powerful than the SS's. I for one am pissed that GM painted themselves into a corner by using the SS badge on everything from trucks to HHR's and cobalts, so that now they have to resurect Z28 as an upgraded model to the SS. The TTv6 would make a perfect Z28 because it would be almost as powerful as a V8, but it would be lighter and quicker in the twisties. I think they should offer the TT V6 with upgraded suspension/brakes like the old Z28, as a Z28, and make an even more powerful SS, maybe LSA, or LS7. Just my 2 cents, but you know I'm right.