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Dallas90 · 04-30-2013, 01:22 PM

No, I'm at spec all the way around. I checked it with my old round dial gage and it agrees with the TPMS readings. They filled me with nitrogen so in theory it should be more stable.

Dallas90 · 04-30-2013, 01:27 PM

The traction drop due to temp is pretty abrupt. It's got to be a chemistry problem, they were willing to give up cold wx traction to gain something else. But it doesn't seem to be warm wx traction that they gained.

caverman · 04-30-2013, 01:37 PM

I only got 11k out of my Pirelli but I wasn't gentle with them either. I went with BFG Comp 2 and like them better. Next time I'll probably try the new Mickey Thompson sport tires. There is a lot of good reviews for them.

SlingShot · 04-30-2013, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by caverman

I only got 11k out of my Pirelli but I wasn't gentle with them either. I went with BFG Comp 2 and like them better. Next time I'll probably try the new Mickey Thompson sport tires. There is a lot of good reviews for them.

I just mounted Hankook V12's on my SS and Sky two weeks a go. Made a big difference on both cars in how it rides and handles, for the better. I wanted the BFG's but they have been discontinued, and everybody is out of stock on the 275's. So far I like the Hankooks so much, I may even go with them on the ZL1 as well, unless BFG comes out with an updated model.

OmniCamaro · 05-11-2013, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas90

The traction drop due to temp is pretty abrupt. It's got to be a chemistry problem, they were willing to give up cold wx traction to gain something else. But it doesn't seem to be warm wx traction that they gained.

Totally agree! Without incriminating myself I'll just say that I no longer turn off my nannies; I used to love driving her with them off! That is until the stock tires(Pirelli's) failed me miserably. They are pure garbage IMO and I'll never, ever spend a penny on the name ever again! I've read stories of them failing in cooler weather and I have firsthand knowledge of it! Drivers beware is all I'll say.

2012-1822 · 05-12-2013, 12:25 AM

Maybe you could've gotten a deal from the dealer when you were working out the financials, but here's how that goes. You say I want some different tires, and say give me $500 off on that, of course then they don't come down on the price of the car by $500, basically a wash. It's the way of the world.

My very serious advice, go to the drag strip, do burnouts to your heart's content, then pick out tires that will make you happy.

Dtowndog420 · 05-12-2013, 11:50 AM

Should of gotten the 1le!

SlingShot · 05-12-2013, 12:09 PM

Probably should have stuck with a Mini van or PT Cruiser ...

Rocky1974 · 05-12-2013, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas90

Last month I bought my first new car in more than 10 years. 2013 Victory Red, 2SS, RS, Black Rally Stripes, Hurst short throw, Dual mode. Overall, I love the car. Now i'm still in the break in period, but I find there are a few things that bug me and one thing I hate. I'm not wild about CAGS, or Hill start assist. The big problem is I HATE the Pirelli P Zeros. Many moons ago I auto crossed and road raced so I'm pretty sensitive to the overnight flat spotting and the loss of grip as the temperature drops. Even when warm, I find them mediocre on roll in and grip, fair to poor in the wet. Short version, the car deserves better tires.
I've called the dealer (many miles away in KC) no help, except to say "we hear this all the time about these tires". They did have their accessory guy call me. He left me a voice mail that basically told me that "buying new tires are expensive" (doesn't sound like any special deal in the offing). I did send Chevy an e-mail and while I was busy they left me a voice mail and an e-mail. So...anybody have any experience on such a situation? Were they any help? I'd be willing to put up a few more bucks to get off these bad tires, but not too many .... I did just drop most of my cash on the car.

The CAGS is easy to get rid of, just buy a $12 CAGS eliminator on e-bay. Takes about 5 minutes to install. I don't think the Hill Start Assist is going to be so easy to get rid of. If you could simply turn it off, I don't think all these people would be on here complaining about it. Everybody seems to hate it. I don't think you're going to get much help from GM because you don't like your tires. After all, they're the ones who decided that these would be the best tires for the car and you bought the car with those tires on it, so it's your tires that you don't like now. Just replace them with something that you do like. If it were me, I'd wait until they're worn out. It won't take long. They don't wear that well either. Or you could replace them now and sell the old ones. There's quite a lot of demand, since they wear so quickly. Your call.

SGOS252382 · 05-12-2013, 01:27 PM

It is well known that the P-Zeros suck as the temperatures drop. But in warmer weather (summer conditions), they usually have excellent grip. Some guys even complain about having a hard time getting them to spin during the hot months of the year.

But most guys that are really into performance get aftermarket wheels (stock wheels are pretty heavy at 32 - 34 lbs) and better tires (suited to what type of performance their focused on).

Also, aggressive driving (occasional burnouts) and the P-Zeros may only last 8K miles or so. And the P-Zeros like to be heated up for increased traction (despite what most people say about street radials)

2xSSRS · 05-12-2013, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryanbabz71

Overnight flat spotting?

My car sat from December to march during winter and I barely noticed any. Drove a few miles and it was fine.

Ryan

+1

markas214 · 05-12-2013, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas90

Last month I bought my first new car in more than 10 years. 2013 Victory Red, 2SS, RS, Black Rally Stripes, Hurst short throw, Dual mode. Overall, I love the car. Now i'm still in the break in period, but I find there are a few things that bug me and one thing I hate. I'm not wild about CAGS, or Hill start assist. The big problem is I HATE the Pirelli P Zeros. Many moons ago I auto crossed and road raced so I'm pretty sensitive to the overnight flat spotting and the loss of grip as the temperature drops. Even when warm, I find them mediocre on roll in and grip, fair to poor in the wet. Short version, the car deserves better tires.
I've called the dealer (many miles away in KC) no help, except to say "we hear this all the time about these tires". They did have their accessory guy call me. He left me a voice mail that basically told me that "buying new tires are expensive" (doesn't sound like any special deal in the offing). I did send Chevy an e-mail and while I was busy they left me a voice mail and an e-mail. So...anybody have any experience on such a situation? Were they any help? I'd be willing to put up a few more bucks to get off these bad tires, but not too many .... I did just drop most of my cash on the car.

You should go test drive a Mustang GT. talk about poor performance oem tires those are far worse. I found the P Zeros acceptable here in Az but its never cold here.

Dallas90 · 05-16-2013, 10:22 PM

Latest update. GM Corporate Bulletin Number 03-03-10-007G. Information on Tire/Wheel Characteristics (Vibration, Balance, Shake, Flat Spotting) of GM Original Equipment Tires (Jul 13, 2012).
The document acknowledges the flat spotting problem and mentions that some tires have nylon overlays, not sure if this applies to p-zero. Got a call from GM help center but was unable to take it. Will try and get in touch with them tomorrow.

Dallas90 · 05-16-2013, 10:24 PM

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I found the P Zeros acceptable

Damning with faint praise, but you're nicer about it than I am.

04-30-2013, 01:37 PM	#31
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05-12-2013, 12:25 AM	#34
2012-1822 Drives: Black ZL1 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: City of Champions, Alabama Posts: 3,698	Maybe you could've gotten a deal from the dealer when you were working out the financials, but here's how that goes. You say I want some different tires, and say give me $500 off on that, of course then they don't come down on the price of the car by $500, basically a wash. It's the way of the world. My very serious advice, go to the drag strip, do burnouts to your heart's content, then pick out tires that will make you happy. __________________ Check out Alabama Camaros, for Camaro enthusiasts all around Alabama https://www.facebook.com/groups/1739...group_activity

05-12-2013, 12:09 PM	#36
SlingShot Drives: 2012 ZL1 - #670 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Seminole, Fl. Posts: 8,009	Probably should have stuck with a Mini van or PT Cruiser ... __________________

04-30-2013, 01:22 PM	#29
Dallas90 Drives: Victory Red 2013 SS/RS Dual Mode Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Dallas Posts: 65	No, I'm at spec all the way around. I checked it with my old round dial gage and it agrees with the TPMS readings. They filled me with nitrogen so in theory it should be more stable.

04-30-2013, 01:27 PM	#30
Dallas90 Drives: Victory Red 2013 SS/RS Dual Mode Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Dallas Posts: 65	The traction drop due to temp is pretty abrupt. It's got to be a chemistry problem, they were willing to give up cold wx traction to gain something else. But it doesn't seem to be warm wx traction that they gained.

05-12-2013, 11:50 AM	#35
Dtowndog420 Drives: SBM 09 G8 GT/RH 15 SS 1LE Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Dallas,Tx Posts: 258	Should of gotten the 1le!

05-12-2013, 01:27 PM	#38
SGOS252382 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: S.W. Florida Posts: 6,294	It is well known that the P-Zeros suck as the temperatures drop. But in warmer weather (summer conditions), they usually have excellent grip. Some guys even complain about having a hard time getting them to spin during the hot months of the year. But most guys that are really into performance get aftermarket wheels (stock wheels are pretty heavy at 32 - 34 lbs) and better tires (suited to what type of performance their focused on). Also, aggressive driving (occasional burnouts) and the P-Zeros may only last 8K miles or so. And the P-Zeros like to be heated up for increased traction (despite what most people say about street radials)

05-16-2013, 10:22 PM	#41
Dallas90 Drives: Victory Red 2013 SS/RS Dual Mode Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Dallas Posts: 65	Latest update. GM Corporate Bulletin Number 03-03-10-007G. Information on Tire/Wheel Characteristics (Vibration, Balance, Shake, Flat Spotting) of GM Original Equipment Tires (Jul 13, 2012). The document acknowledges the flat spotting problem and mentions that some tires have nylon overlays, not sure if this applies to p-zero. Got a call from GM help center but was unable to take it. Will try and get in touch with them tomorrow.