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IcePick06 · 10-13-2011, 03:02 PM

Quite frankly I've never understood the HP wars and why people want to mod the $hit outta their cars for more power when it's gonna be TRACTION LIMITED anyway? Unless you set it up specifically for racing (slicks, etc.) why bother? I'm sure there's a magic HP # you can have for max acceleration, etc. but finding that # based on the rest of the cars limits is the problem. On the street and even at a trackday the ZL1 bone stock will do just fine IMHO. Even the new GT500 that is supposedly coming with over 600HP stock is expected by many magazine reviews to do about the same straight line times as the current model because of traction issues...

htron50 · 10-13-2011, 03:15 PM

You guys have some great ideas whether for a TAD more power or MOOCHO.

I, myself, and I, will opt to keep this ZL1 mainly stock. I "might" add a CAI and try to make the engine compartment more attractive, and possibly see about keeping the dual mode exhaust on a switch to keep open at idle if I desire. That's it for me. I will have fun watching you folks with the deeper pockets make your dream come true. For me, My dreams will come true LOVING HER THE WAY I MET HER! LOL

*radz28* · 10-13-2011, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by IcePick06

Quite frankly I've never understood the HP wars and why people want to mod the $hit outta their cars for more power when it's gonna be TRACTION LIMITED anyway? Unless you set it up specifically for racing (slicks, etc.) why bother? I'm sure there's a magic HP # you can have for max acceleration, etc. but finding that # based on the rest of the cars limits is the problem. On the street and even at a trackday the ZL1 bone stock will do just fine IMHO. Even the new GT500 that is supposedly coming with over 600HP stock is expected by many magazine reviews to do about the same straight line times as the current model because of traction issues...

That's fine. However, IMO, your example is less than a good one because it's had those problems from the beginning. While exactly how ZL1 will do without traction aids (PTM, LC, etc.), it's looking promising. It is clearly doing at least a fair job putting it's power down around the 'Ring, and I think it's probably going to at least have a slight advantage (probably even without the electronics) over the GT500. Having said that, I think that it's going to use the power it has more effectively; therefore, adding more power won't be as troubling to the chassis as it's been for the GT500. Ford's going to have to make that car more rounded (which I'm expecting) if they want to remain competitive on all fronts.

JMO.

BiggFoot · 10-13-2011, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by payne.jeremy82

Lingenfelter has a package based on CTS-V LSA 700+hp that produces 623rwhp

700 +BHP *
Package Includes:
-Engine removal & removal of supercharger assembly, cylinder heads, camshaft
-Lingenfelter CNC porting & polishing of LSA cylinder heads for optimal flow
-2.165" diameter hollow stem intake valves
-1.59" diameter high temperature inconnel exhaust valves
-Lingenfelter multi-angle valve job, cc chambers, surfacing & spring height adjustment
-Competition Cams valve springs, titanium retainers, 10 degree locks
-Lingenfelter GT9 camshaft by Competition Cams 215/247.629/.656121CL
-GM Head gaskets & head bolts
-2.55inch diameter steel supercharger drive pulley
-powder coated black
-8rib-8rib serpentine belt
-Lingenfelter LS9 solid supercharger isolator coupling
-Port and polish supercharger snout
-Lingenfelter air intake duct
-K & N Air Filter
-Lingenfelter 10%overdrive harmonic balancer
-63lbs/hour fuel injectors
-Fuel injector connector change
-160degree thermostat
-Professional installation, camshaft degreeing & testing
-Engine testing & expert ECM tuning
-Chassis dyno testing before & after installation
-Excellent drivability, highway mileage not adversely affected
-Lingenfelter certificate of authenticity
-Lingenfelter 2 year/ 24,000 mile warranty

Package price –$11,245.00

this is what my ZL1 be getting along with

Forged shortblock (add) 4485.00
• Water jacket plugs, oil galley & cam bearings
• Manley forged aluminum pistons
• Total Seal Premium file fit rings
• Manley 6.125" I beam connecting rods
• Speed Pro heavy duty rod bearings
• Speed Pro heavy duty main bearings

*shortblock options subject to change in regards to actual ZL1 specifications.

Hotchkis Racepack, with billet sway bar bracket kit (installed)2964.90
BMR trailing arms and toe rods (installed)869.90

If you are going with a forged bottom end, Lingenfelter will give you a 3yr/36000 mile warranty instead of the 2yr/24000 mile you are showing here. Just saying

payne.jeremy82 · 10-13-2011, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BiggFoot

If you are going with a forged bottom end, Lingenfelter will give you a 3yr/36000 mile warranty instead of the 2yr/24000 mile you are showing here. Just saying

thats good to know thank you

Scarrzz · 10-13-2011, 06:25 PM

Jeremy, I've heard that you can get just the carbon driveshaft for about 1k.

Whole setup looks sweet, but mucho $$.

I know, pay to play.

.

payne.jeremy82 · 10-13-2011, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarrzz

Jeremy, I've heard that you can get just the carbon driveshaft for about 1k.

Whole setup looks sweet, but mucho $$.

I know, pay to play.

.

do you think the weight loss and percentage of hp to the ground gained over stock would be worth the cost of this upgrade

money is not an issue for me

2012ZL1 · 10-14-2011, 08:40 AM

Programmer and pulley, air filter probably all I need.

CC Performance · 10-14-2011, 08:49 AM

Its no different than modding the SS or V6.. there are those who will do it without care to the warranty and those who will leave it as is...

If a person was smart they would leave it be for a while until the bugs have been worked out.... new production car... chances are there will be something to address with the warranty and if you voided it through mods then your SOL.... I'd wait to mod the car personally and see what it can do and take first before touching it... see what problems others have after its been out for a while.. there wil be plenty of reviews and information about issues ( if there are any)

OldScoolCamaro · 10-14-2011, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CC Performance

Its no different than modding the SS or V6.. there are those who will do it without care to the warranty and those who will leave it as is...

If a person was smart they would leave it be for a while until the bugs have been worked out.... new production car... chances are there will be something to address with the warranty and if you voided it through mods then your SOL.... I'd wait to mod the car personally and see what it can do and take first before touching it... see what problems others have after its been out for a while.. there wil be plenty of reviews and information about issues ( if there are any)

That's sound advice CC. Very well put.

Scarrzz · 10-14-2011, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by payne.jeremy82

do you think the weight loss and percentage of hp to the ground gained over stock would be worth the cost of this upgrade

money is not an issue for me

I know that the axles & driveshaft are reciprocating weight, so that will give you about double the effective weight savings benefit. You aren't having to spin that mass up to speed every time you accelerate. That bonus you get will be a reduction in the driveline loss, so basically you're getting free extra torque - always a good thing.

Well, at least mechanically speaking it's free. If money isn't an issue, then carbon is best.

I wonder how much weight savings you'd get with that differential & what the internals are. With Lingenfelter doing it, nothing short of bulletproof.

I guess your decision on the differential should be based on how far into the stratosphere you plan to mod. The stock differential is probably good for anything up to a sub-orbital flight, but weight savings are always good if you have the Benjamins for it.

.

Z4me · 10-14-2011, 10:03 AM

I'm thinking to do some light modding at least at first, mostly cosmetic
around the outside, inside and the engine bay. Wanta first pay off the
remaining part of the loan first which will take about a year. Also I'm
figuring if some thing is going to go wrong, it will happen in the first year
and I would like to keep it under warranty if possibe. Isn't better to let the car be driven "x" amount of miles before you start modding heavily or is this a non issue?

ShnOmac · 10-14-2011, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CC Performance

If a person was smart they would leave it be for a while until the bugs have been worked out.... new production car... chances are there will be something to address with the warranty and if you voided it through mods then your SOL.... I'd wait to mod the car personally and see what it can do and take first before touching it... see what problems others have after its been out for a while.. there wil be plenty of reviews and information about issues ( if there are any)

htron50 · 10-14-2011, 10:08 AM

Here's a link to Lingenfelters website where they are offering 3 upgrades to the ZL1 (MT only listed so far)
Figures rounded to nearest $100 (plus they add a few misc small charges)

Option 1: 630HP with pulley, tune, CAI, a litte more.. $2500
Option 2: 650HP with pulley, tune, CAI, fuel injection, ++ $4900
Option 3: 700HP (623 RWHP) Heads, Cam, pulley, etc etc $11,300

http://www.lingenfelter.com/engine-p...harger-system-

10-13-2011, 06:25 PM	#20
Scarrzz No Fear-No Limits- Camaro Drives: '13 ZL1 or Suzuki Hayabusa Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Louisiana, CO, GA, TX, etc. Posts: 2,033 View My Garage	Jeremy, I've heard that you can get just the carbon driveshaft for about 1k. Whole setup looks sweet, but mucho $$. I know, pay to play. . __________________ . __________________________________ ................................................The Faithful are Watching.

10-14-2011, 10:03 AM	#26
Z4me Drives: 2013 ZL1 IOM Vin #169 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,953	I'm thinking to do some light modding at least at first, mostly cosmetic around the outside, inside and the engine bay. Wanta first pay off the remaining part of the loan first which will take about a year. Also I'm figuring if some thing is going to go wrong, it will happen in the first year and I would like to keep it under warranty if possibe. Isn't better to let the car be driven "x" amount of miles before you start modding heavily or is this a non issue? __________________

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10-13-2011, 03:02 PM	#15
IcePick06 Drives: '12 AGM ZL1 (SOLD); '07 Ducati 1098 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tha OCizzle Posts: 731	Quite frankly I've never understood the HP wars and why people want to mod the $hit outta their cars for more power when it's gonna be TRACTION LIMITED anyway? Unless you set it up specifically for racing (slicks, etc.) why bother? I'm sure there's a magic HP # you can have for max acceleration, etc. but finding that # based on the rest of the cars limits is the problem. On the street and even at a trackday the ZL1 bone stock will do just fine IMHO. Even the new GT500 that is supposedly coming with over 600HP stock is expected by many magazine reviews to do about the same straight line times as the current model because of traction issues...

10-13-2011, 03:15 PM	#16
htron50 Drives: 2017 ZL1 Status "Thank You!" Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,498	You guys have some great ideas whether for a TAD more power or MOOCHO. I, myself, and I, will opt to keep this ZL1 mainly stock. I "might" add a CAI and try to make the engine compartment more attractive, and possibly see about keeping the dual mode exhaust on a switch to keep open at idle if I desire. That's it for me. I will have fun watching you folks with the deeper pockets make your dream come true. For me, My dreams will come true LOVING HER THE WAY I MET HER! LOL

10-14-2011, 08:40 AM	#22
2012ZL1 CaRaHoLiC Drives: '12 ZL1,67 Cam,68 Biscayne 427 4 sp Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 1,701	Programmer and pulley, air filter probably all I need.

10-14-2011, 08:49 AM	#23
CC Performance Account Suspended Drives: 99 Camaro SS, 79 z28, 70 GTX Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: ST Helens, OR Posts: 1,759	Its no different than modding the SS or V6.. there are those who will do it without care to the warranty and those who will leave it as is... If a person was smart they would leave it be for a while until the bugs have been worked out.... new production car... chances are there will be something to address with the warranty and if you voided it through mods then your SOL.... I'd wait to mod the car personally and see what it can do and take first before touching it... see what problems others have after its been out for a while.. there wil be plenty of reviews and information about issues ( if there are any)

10-14-2011, 10:08 AM	#28
htron50 Drives: 2017 ZL1 Status "Thank You!" Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,498	Here's a link to Lingenfelters website where they are offering 3 upgrades to the ZL1 (MT only listed so far) Figures rounded to nearest $100 (plus they add a few misc small charges) Option 1: 630HP with pulley, tune, CAI, a litte more.. $2500 Option 2: 650HP with pulley, tune, CAI, fuel injection, ++ $4900 Option 3: 700HP (623 RWHP) Heads, Cam, pulley, etc etc $11,300 http://www.lingenfelter.com/engine-p...harger-system-