The 2010 Camaro V6 HP offically is.....

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by Dakota Kid

It seems to me that based on the info provided, one might as well spring for the SS, since really two or three mpg difference is not significant, IMO. I bet the performance between the 6 and the 8 is worlds apart, though.

Yes, but just don't be upset if the gap ends up being more than what the preliminary ratings would make it seem to be.
- Xanthos

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

I read that the Challenger SE will get the 4.0 DI Phoenix engine with MDS pushing north of 320 HP in 2010/2011

enjoy while you can

4.0 ~320 hp

3.6 ~304 hp

now imagine if GM made a 4.0 v-6 to put in this car.

Originally Posted by Dakota Kid

It seems to me that based on the info provided, one might as well spring for the SS, since really two or three mpg difference is not significant, IMO. I bet the performance between the 6 and the 8 is worlds apart, though.

only by about 120 hp or so.....lol

[Dakota Kid]

Originally Posted by XanthosV6

Yes, but just don't be upset if the gap ends up being more than what the preliminary ratings would make it seem to be.
- Xanthos

No doubt. We will see what the real world numbers briing. When, not if, gas goes back up to 4 bucks a gallon this may become a no brainer choice.

[TJ91]

A fatass with 320hp can kiss my @$$
By then we might get an ecoboost or somthing.
The SE for now is just a joke, was that 7.1seconds to 60, thats a shame.
I wonder what it will run with 320? Do you think 5.9 is possible? Doubt it

[Xanthos]

The Challenger SE weighs 20 lbs less than the Camaro LT.

I think we would have better competition if they upped the HP to 320. But, I really don't expect them to do this. 300 seems more reasonable - it will put the Camaro and Challenger on a virtually even footing in terms of performance, and help keep insurance costs down. Plus, they wouldn't want to put it only 50 HP down from the R/T.
- Xanthos

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by XanthosV6

The Challenger SE weighs 20 lbs less than the Camaro LT.

I think we would have better competition if they upped the HP to 320. But, I really don't expect them to do this. 300 seems more reasonable - it will put the Camaro and Challenger on a virtually even footing in terms of performance, and help keep insurance costs down. Plus, they wouldn't want to put it only 50 HP down from the R/T.
- Xanthos

Meh...+1

there are 5 variants of the new Phoenix V6 engine and two which is DI both north of 300HP, the 3.7 and 4.0...........I was a little bais and said the 4.0 but the chally most likely will get the 3.7 DI V6

[Xanthos]

Well, at least we're on the same page.

Personally, I'll welcome the competition. It'll be better than just flat-out smashing the mustangs and challengers.

And before you jump at me, I'm referring to like-priced and like-engined trim levels.
And don't forget that the LLT block is DESIGNED to support up to 4.0 liters. So, GM has some range to play.
- Xanthos

[Muscle Master]

hmm I wonder what gains the LLT would have if it was stroked to 4.0 Liters

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

hmm I wonder what gains the LLT would have if it was stroked to 4.0 Liters

In horsepower? Probably not as much as you would like.

In torque? Well... that's a different story. There's a reason I was considering doing this, but it would cost about twice as much as a top-of-the-line supercharger/turbocharger setup. Definitely not the best bang for your buck mod.
- Xanthos

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

hmm I wonder what gains the LLT would have if it was stroked to 4.0 Liters

you mean bored out to 4.0?

Originally Posted by XanthosV6

In horsepower? Probably not as much as you would like.

In torque? Well... that's a different story. There's a reason I was considering doing this, but it would cost about twice as much as a top-of-the-line supercharger/turbocharger setup. Definitely not the best bang for your buck mod.
- Xanthos

why would it cost that much more? granted, you'll have to disassemble pretty much the whole motor so you can get the cyls bored out, but you can order a set of pistons in nearly any size, deck height, dished, domed, ring variances, etc. your basic turbo/supercharger will run you around 5k for a kit.

I couldnt see the machine work and new pistons costing much more than that.

one thing to keep in mind tho is if you enlarge the pistons and bore the cyls, you will be changing the compression ratio, so you might want to get appropriate pistons to match.

the only thing that will cost the most is the time spent doing all of it.

but I could see the torque jumping a bit

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

you mean bored out to 4.0?



why would it cost that much more? granted, you'll have to disassemble pretty much the whole motor so you can get the cyls bored out, but you can order a set of pistons in nearly any size, deck height, dished, domed, ring variances, etc. your basic turbo/supercharger will run you around 5k for a kit.

I couldnt see the machine work and new pistons costing much more than that.

one thing to keep in mind tho is if you enlarge the pistons and bore the cyls, you will be changing the compression ratio, so you might want to get appropriate pistons to match.

the only thing that will cost the most is the time spent doing all of it.

but I could see the torque jumping a bit

Boring it to 4.0 wouldn't. Stroking it would. You would need a custom crank for that. And that starts to get really pricey, really fast.
- Xanthos

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by XanthosV6

Boring it to 4.0 wouldn't. Stroking it would. You would need a custom crank for that. And that starts to get really pricey, really fast.
- Xanthos

so why not just bore it instead of stroke it? while it would be nice to have a "stroker", you could much more easily bore it out a little to get your 4.0L (or more depending on cyl wall tolerances) and get more torque and still be able to spin it up easier.

[MerF]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

so why not just bore it instead of stroke it? while it would be nice to have a "stroker", you could much more easily bore it out a little to get your 4.0L (or more depending on cyl wall tolerances) and get more torque and still be able to spin it up easier.

Dude you would be more than boreing out to get .4 Liters... you would be raping the cylinders and leaving tissues on the outsides to keep it all together.

Stroking is the only way to increase the size of the cylinders by 11%.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by MerF

Dude you would be more than boreing out to get .4 Liters... you would be raping the cylinders and leaving tissues on the outsides to keep it all together.

Stroking is the only way to increase the size of the cylinders by 11%.

well, I dont know off hand what the bore is or the cyl wall thickness either. but if we need 25 additional ci..... without stroking......


it can be done.


bore to the max possible, run deep dished pistons with -25cc quad dishes and shorten the piston height down. you could get the needed ci. without stroking. but you wont be running nearly as high compression as stock.


but then again, why bother with stroking a v-6 for power. esp a DI one like this that would woop ass with a 100 shot o' juice