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LarryD · 04-19-2024, 01:44 PM

So, my car is the 2010 2SS LS3 and Manual Transmission. I have been hearing kind of a high pitched howl for some time but unable to locate it. Thinking it may be a front end wheel bearing, I lifted the front off the ground to do an oil change and while it was up I tried to check for wheel bearing play. Didn't find any but instead I found that I could wiggle the front wheels left and right. They both move together (wouldn't expect them to move at all) and I hear a bit of a tapping sound at the end of the motion like something hitting a bracket hitting somewhere. The wheels were pointed straight ahead. I don't see any linkage movement but I do see the struts rotating a little with the movement back and forth. The car just turned over 100,000 miles yesterday. Anybody have any ideas as to what the sound is and if the little bit of motion back and forth (maybe a quarter inch) could be??? Thanks..

gtstorey · 04-19-2024, 01:53 PM

Power steering racks don't typically lock wheels to no movement side to side so does seem likely to be the problem. More of a problem of one wheel moved and the other didn't. You didn't say anything about under what conditions you are getting the howl, but maybe engine accessory bearing?

LarryD · 04-19-2024, 09:26 PM

I am old school so don't know much about steering racks. Both wheels move the same wiggling either wheel. The steering seems fine but maybe a little pull to the left. I did notice I have some tire wear looking like I might need an alignment.

The howl sounds like speed related and noticeable as soon as I start driving. I didn't think about an engine accessory bearing. The AC compressor was replaced about 10k ago so I doubt it would be that. I will get a probe and check for noisy bearings on the other accessories.

Thanks.

morepowerjoe · 04-20-2024, 03:05 AM

I found that when I jack up my front end and wiggle the tires side to side, I get the same sound coming from my steering as well but I discovered it was just the joint in the steering linkage on the shaft that goes to the steering wheel, so I think you're ok there. I have put 170k miles on my wheel bearings without a problem but that's not to say that your environment couldn't be harsher than mine.

Mouse330 · 04-23-2024, 04:34 PM

The howl sounds like speed related and noticeable as soon as I start driving.
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If you only start hearing the noise once you start moving its not engine related, You would start hearing the noise after you started the engine just sitting there. Jack up the front with the wheels off the ground and spin up the wheels by hand and listen to the bearings. GL

102SS · 04-24-2024, 06:22 AM

Mine howled like hell and when they were changed all was well

It was also hard to define where the noise was coming from.

LarryD · 05-07-2024, 09:36 AM

The engine sounds fine with no whine at idle. Anyway, since I couldn't hear anything that sounded like a wheel bearing on the front I guess I need to check the rear wheel bearings. I don't have a 2 post car hoist so trying to figure the best way to check the rears. Any suggestions. Dealer wants almost $200 to check the whine.

gtstorey · 05-07-2024, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LarryD

The engine sounds fine with no whine at idle. Anyway, since I couldn't hear anything that sounded like a wheel bearing on the front I guess I need to check the rear wheel bearings. I don't have a 2 post car hoist so trying to figure the best way to check the rears. Any suggestions. Dealer wants almost $200 to check the whine.

Jack and jack stands?

LarryD · Yesterday, 09:58 AM

I wondered about running it with the wheels off the ground but a bit nervous about it. I live alone so don't have anyone to sit in the car to stop it if it were to come off the jack stands (manual trans). Not sure if I could hear it if I simply turn them by hand.

gtstorey · Yesterday, 10:06 AM

I would consider properly placed jack stands more stable that a two post lift. But either one done wrong is dangerous.

ABM2SS · Today, 06:30 AM

More than likely it is a Wheel Bearing. My SS very high mileage (296,000). I've had to replace several Wheel Bearing/Hub Assemblies over the years. Jack-up the front and spin each wheel separately. If you feel more resistance or hear rubbing noise in one more than the other, that's the one that's bad. Fronts are easier to replace because you don't have to deal with the Axle Shaft.

LarryD · Today, 10:22 AM

I did that on the front but didn't find any noise or resistance. Thinking it might be a rear wheel bearing. So, that raises another question. Are the rear wheel bearings the same part number as the front wheel bearings, that is, are they all interchangeable with no left/right or front/rear designation?

ABM2SS · Today, 10:35 AM

Front and rear are the same part number. But there are many similar versions. The difference is the Splines for the Axle Shafts. So, many versions will be fine on the front, but you need to make sure to get the right version for the rear. I buy Moog branded parts because I trust their quality.

04-19-2024, 01:44 PM	#1
LarryD Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Manual Trans Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Toledo, WA Posts: 63	Front Suspension Issue? So, my car is the 2010 2SS LS3 and Manual Transmission. I have been hearing kind of a high pitched howl for some time but unable to locate it. Thinking it may be a front end wheel bearing, I lifted the front off the ground to do an oil change and while it was up I tried to check for wheel bearing play. Didn't find any but instead I found that I could wiggle the front wheels left and right. They both move together (wouldn't expect them to move at all) and I hear a bit of a tapping sound at the end of the motion like something hitting a bracket hitting somewhere. The wheels were pointed straight ahead. I don't see any linkage movement but I do see the struts rotating a little with the movement back and forth. The car just turned over 100,000 miles yesterday. Anybody have any ideas as to what the sound is and if the little bit of motion back and forth (maybe a quarter inch) could be??? Thanks..

04-20-2024, 03:05 AM	#4
morepowerjoe Drives: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro l99 Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 2,120	I found that when I jack up my front end and wiggle the tires side to side, I get the same sound coming from my steering as well but I discovered it was just the joint in the steering linkage on the shaft that goes to the steering wheel, so I think you're ok there. I have put 170k miles on my wheel bearings without a problem but that's not to say that your environment couldn't be harsher than mine. __________________ DSS FX Forged Pistons, Eagle ESP L19 Forged Rods, ARP Head and Main Studs, TSP PRC 260 CNC Ported Heads milled .030, Cometic .040 Head Gaskets, GPI SS3 VVT Camshaft, GM Performance Racing Lifters, CHE Trunnions , Molly Pushrods, Melling 10355HV Oil Pump, Cold Air Inductions CAI, Fast LSXR Intake Manifold, Nick Williams 103 TB, TSP 1 7/8" Longtubes with 3" TSP Exhaust, ZL1 Fuel Pump, Mishimoto Radiator, Mishimoto Oil Cooler, Tru Cool 40k Tranny Cooler, 3600 Circle D Converter, Fluid Dynamics Balancer Build Thread https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=609817

04-24-2024, 06:22 AM	#6
102SS waiting at the tree Drives: SIM 2010 2SS/RS A6 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Niagara Falls Posts: 3,180	Mine howled like hell and when they were changed all was well It was also hard to define where the noise was coming from. __________________ 2010 2SS/RS A6 ZL1 Rims 60ft 2.03 13.08 at 107.82 (4/28) 2009 Pontiac G8 3.6L the DD

04-19-2024, 01:53 PM	#2
gtstorey Drives: 2010 Camaro SS2,L99, LSA SC Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,165	Power steering racks don't typically lock wheels to no movement side to side so does seem likely to be the problem. More of a problem of one wheel moved and the other didn't. You didn't say anything about under what conditions you are getting the howl, but maybe engine accessory bearing?

04-19-2024, 09:26 PM	#3
LarryD Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Manual Trans Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Toledo, WA Posts: 63	I am old school so don't know much about steering racks. Both wheels move the same wiggling either wheel. The steering seems fine but maybe a little pull to the left. I did notice I have some tire wear looking like I might need an alignment. The howl sounds like speed related and noticeable as soon as I start driving. I didn't think about an engine accessory bearing. The AC compressor was replaced about 10k ago so I doubt it would be that. I will get a probe and check for noisy bearings on the other accessories. Thanks.

04-23-2024, 04:34 PM	#5
Mouse330 Drives: 2011 2SS, 2006 GMC Sierra Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: MA Posts: 252	The howl sounds like speed related and noticeable as soon as I start driving. [/QUOTE] If you only start hearing the noise once you start moving its not engine related, You would start hearing the noise after you started the engine just sitting there. Jack up the front with the wheels off the ground and spin up the wheels by hand and listen to the bearings. GL

05-07-2024, 09:36 AM	#7
LarryD Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Manual Trans Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Toledo, WA Posts: 63	The engine sounds fine with no whine at idle. Anyway, since I couldn't hear anything that sounded like a wheel bearing on the front I guess I need to check the rear wheel bearings. I don't have a 2 post car hoist so trying to figure the best way to check the rears. Any suggestions. Dealer wants almost $200 to check the whine.

Yesterday, 09:58 AM	#9
LarryD Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Manual Trans Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Toledo, WA Posts: 63	I wondered about running it with the wheels off the ground but a bit nervous about it. I live alone so don't have anyone to sit in the car to stop it if it were to come off the jack stands (manual trans). Not sure if I could hear it if I simply turn them by hand.

Yesterday, 10:06 AM	#10
gtstorey Drives: 2010 Camaro SS2,L99, LSA SC Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,165	I would consider properly placed jack stands more stable that a two post lift. But either one done wrong is dangerous.

Today, 06:30 AM	#11
ABM2SS Drives: 2010 SS M6 ABM Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Nashville, IN Posts: 272	More than likely it is a Wheel Bearing. My SS very high mileage (296,000). I've had to replace several Wheel Bearing/Hub Assemblies over the years. Jack-up the front and spin each wheel separately. If you feel more resistance or hear rubbing noise in one more than the other, that's the one that's bad. Fronts are easier to replace because you don't have to deal with the Axle Shaft.

Today, 10:22 AM	#12
LarryD Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Manual Trans Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Toledo, WA Posts: 63	I did that on the front but didn't find any noise or resistance. Thinking it might be a rear wheel bearing. So, that raises another question. Are the rear wheel bearings the same part number as the front wheel bearings, that is, are they all interchangeable with no left/right or front/rear designation?

Today, 10:35 AM	#13
ABM2SS Drives: 2010 SS M6 ABM Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Nashville, IN Posts: 272	Front and rear are the same part number. But there are many similar versions. The difference is the Splines for the Axle Shafts. So, many versions will be fine on the front, but you need to make sure to get the right version for the rear. I buy Moog branded parts because I trust their quality.