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Old 08-06-2009, 09:36 PM   #267
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I'm no fanboy for sure. I do not care thats its 4 or 5 stars.
At 4 or 5 stars its still a VERY safe car.

My beef is that GM designed the car for 5 stars and fell short. I'm sure someones head is gonna roll over that. I just wish we can give back those 300 pounds and settle for the 4 stars. Now we have the extra 300lbs and 4 stars.

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Old 08-06-2009, 09:45 PM   #268
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It is disappointing that it got a 4 star rating though in the frontal crash test. Very disappointing.. My old 1998 Mustang had a 5 star rating all around..
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:45 PM   #269
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Just to let you guys know. neither of those cars smashed, are Smart cars. Smart cars use a 3lug pattern not 5
Touche! Small car. I think most cars would be screwed sandwiched like that. Good catch. I should have checked snopes first!
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:47 PM   #270
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The other evidence are the crashes so far. I can't remember a single owner or occupant that was critically injured yet or that has complained about the safety after a crash.
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:50 PM   #271
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These guys posted it up too:

http://www.leftlanenews.com/nhtsa-fo...vy-camaro.html
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:52 PM   #272
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The other evidence are the crashes so far. I can't remember a single owner or occupant that was critically injured yet or that has complained about the safety after a crash.
One did have serious injuries in this forum while most others were minor crashes. There are others that have crashed that are not members and you would not know about. Furthermore if there was a serious crash from a member, you would have to wait until the member got out of the hospital if they survived before we'd find out anything. Ultimately 4 stars is not bad, however it is also not very good either.. It just means in a head on, you will be experiencing more G forces than a 5 star car would when your head hits the airbag..
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:54 PM   #273
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Few more sites reporting on the 4 star rating...
http://wot.motortrend.com/6570677/au...ing/index.html
http://blogs.thecarconnection.com/ma...n-ncap-testing
http://www.motorauthority.com/2010-c...a-testing.html
http://www.caradvice.com.au/37755/ca...safety-rating/

Four stars may not be horrible, but it certainly gives web sites ammo to go after the leader...not good.
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:55 PM   #274
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Few more sites reporting on the 4 star rating...
http://wot.motortrend.com/6570677/au...ing/index.html
http://blogs.thecarconnection.com/ma...n-ncap-testing
http://www.motorauthority.com/2010-c...a-testing.html

Four stars may not be horrible, but it certainly gives web sites ammo to go after the leader...not good.
Its brand new news, It'll come..
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:59 PM   #275
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My beef is that GM designed the car for 5 stars and fell short. I'm sure someones head is gonna roll over that. I just wish we can give back those 300 pounds and settle for the 4 stars. Now we have the extra 300lbs and 4 stars.

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That's exactly how I feel. All things considered, I feel rather safe in just about any modern car. Earlier someone posted the statistic for deaths per miles driven, and while I can't remember it right now as I'm typing it, driving is remarkably safe given when you consider it is essentially controlling a two ton missile in extremely close proximity to other "drivers" doing the same, while also eating, drinking, talking on cell phones, etc, with nothing more than lights and painted lines to direct us. That is pretty darn impressive.

I have to admit I'm a bit conflicted on the whole subject of car safety. On one hand, I hate the feeling that we're increasingly being confined to sanitary little safety bubbles, with tons of rules, restrictions, and safety devices with decreasing rates of return. Every new car safety regulation means more weight, which means less efficiency and less performance. Sometimes we're so afraid of dying we forget how to live. Now on the other hand, I can't think of anything that would destroy my life more than seeing my wife or future children injured or killed in a car accident. Seriously, if you want to see me tear up, just play the song "Last Kiss" and I just about bawl. In that context, safety is a big, big concern. I'm still fairly confident that with where we are in terms of car safety, if you die in a wreck, that's God calling you home. Driving is safe, and the 2010 Camaro is just about as safe as any other car.
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:00 PM   #276
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this is a tad bit off topic but ... how on earth did the smart car get these ratings after seeing evidence like the stuff above
http://www.automotive.com/2009/12/sm...sts/index.html
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this is a tad bit off topic but ... how on earth did the smart car get these ratings after seeing evidence like the stuff above
http://www.automotive.com/2009/12/sm...sts/index.html
They get rated against cars of the same size..
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this is a tad bit off topic but ... how on earth did the smart car get these ratings after seeing evidence like the stuff above
http://www.automotive.com/2009/12/sm...sts/index.html
Weight disparity has a lot to do with it. To oversimplify it a bit, the ratings are relative to the car's size and weight.
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:02 PM   #279
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Um...what exactly is it that is so concerning about this frontal crash video? The car appears strong - passenger compartment appears fully intact after the crash, you can see the curtain airbags inflate as they should etc. Yes, front end gets smashed as it should, but panels stay on, wheels stay on etc. Anyone who thinks this is bad needs to see a C6 Corvette crash video - those fiberglass geezermobiles completely disintegrate upon impact - panels, doors & wheels fly in all directions.
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ah yeha, now that the camaro got disappointing ratings, let's focus on other cars and why they should get worse ratings. lol. awesome.
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