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ihaveacamaro · 05-11-2013, 07:55 PM

Let's discuss some pad priming and what methods people use.

I personally subscribe to the Kevin Brown Method. This method is to completely cover the pad with polish and then add 3 drops of polish to start and then further as needed. Also, no detail spray on the pad is recommended.

In fact, there is a huge shift in the industry towards this method.

Mike Phillips (the face of Autogeek IE Blackfire, Pinnacle, Detailer's Pro, Diamondite, and other brands are all owned by Autogeek) and Meguiar's now also recommend this method.

And those are the only the ones I know of. I'm sure there are others.

The reason I subscribe to this method is the science behind it. For the first time, the science behind pad priming is clearly explained and the effects of those results are explained as well.

If you would like to read them, here is his link: http://www.buffdaddy.com/files/15195...g_Agents-1.pdf

Now this isn't to say other methods don't work, just that they can be improved upon.

So what method do you guys use and why?

ec1990 · 05-11-2013, 08:38 PM

I like the KB method, although I do debate whether you need additional product before starting on the first pass. I like priming it by spreading it over the pad by hand then ensuring full coverage by using a 1 speed or so to spread the product to any missed areas. But I think that it's extremely difficult to use enough product to cover the pad, for it to soak in, and not have excess product in the pad.

Do you think MF pads should be primed the same way?

LIM3 · 05-11-2013, 08:53 PM

awesome

CamaroDreams07 · 05-11-2013, 09:14 PM

I didn't know it was called the Kevin Brown method, but that's what I do as well. Never really subscribed to the Adam's method.

CamaroDreams07 · 05-11-2013, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ec1990

I like the KB method, although I do debate whether you need additional product before starting on the first pass. I like priming it by spreading it over the pad by hand then ensuring full coverage by using a 1 speed or so to spread the product to any missed areas. But I think that it's extremely difficult to use enough product to cover the pad, for it to soak in, and not have excess product in the pad.

Do you think MF pads should be primed the same way?

Yes, go ahead and get some polish worked into your MF. I go pretty heavy and work it in with my fingers for the first section, then just a spray or two of Optimum Hyper for each subsequent section.

ec1990 · 05-11-2013, 09:27 PM

Yeah the first time I used it I got quite a bit of dust and I think it may have been a cause.

BTW what do you think of LC MF pads? They don't split up compounding and finishing MF pads, but I also heard the difference is purely the foam structure in them for Megs/Optimum ones.

But I do think priming is different for foam/MF pads just because you can overprime a MF pad where the the pad lays flat whereas you don't have to worry about that for foam pads.

axis · 05-12-2013, 01:39 AM

Whether it works or not, it seems like a lot is going to waste, especially if you're cleaning your pad after every panel. If I was any of those companies, i'd be telling my customers use more product as well, whether it's needed or not. I definitely use more than what JM shows you in his vids but no where near the amount that the OP uses.

ihaveacamaro · 05-12-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by axis

Whether it works or not, it seems like a lot is going to waste, especially if you're cleaning your pad after every panel. If I was any of those companies, i'd be telling my customers use more product as well, whether it's needed or not. I definitely use more than what JM shows you in his vids but no where near the amount that the OP uses.

Did you read the link? It's not wasting if you are getting more efficient polishing is it?

LIM3 · 05-12-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ihaveacamaro

Did you read the link? It's not wasting if you are getting more efficient polishing is it?

Plus 1

usranger80 · 05-12-2013, 11:19 AM

How much do you guys really use? I have done 4 full PC's on my car since I got it and I still have more than 1/2 bottle left of all my Products, at this rate it will take four years to use it all, as far as effectiveness I have used Adams method and the KB method, didn't really notice a difference, they both worked just fine.

WiSSDiver · 05-12-2013, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ihaveacamaro

Did you read the link? It's not wasting if you are getting more efficient polishing is it?

Still not convinced. Sorry, but I agree it's a waste of product, especially if your cleaning the pad every time. To me using this method over primes the pad and will only lead to a lot dust which equals more clean up time.

Just my opinion though. Certainly not the definitive answer.

axis · 05-13-2013, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ihaveacamaro

Did you read the link? It's not wasting if you are getting more efficient polishing is it?

Are you really getting more efficient polishing if you're completely saturating your pad, only to wipe half of it off after the first panel? Why would that be more efficient over priming the "old way" then wiping it off after every panel? Do you completely resaturate the pad after every panel?

I didn't read every word of that article but he said "my opinion" enough for me to come to the conclusion that most of this was indeed just his opinion. Whether it's sound or not, I didn't see much real scientific data here.

CamaroDreams07 · 05-13-2013, 03:50 AM

It's definitely opinion. I happen to agree with priming (NOT to be confused with saturating) a pad with polish prior to beginning. You do this once per pad, not after each panel. Once the pad is primed, it's primed.

I spray a few extra pumps of my Optimum polish on my clean optimum MF disc and massage it into the fibers. Then I give it a pump or two of polish for the first section.

With foam I spread a generous amount onto the pad and work it in. Then I apply my 3-4 dots and attack the first section.

I agree with quite a bit in the KB article, although it is just opinion we happen to share.

This isn't a junkman thread, so we can agree there is more than one way to get results. This is just one way that happens to work for Roshan, KB, and myself. And I guarantee you that even within this same school of thought, we all do it slightly differently.

Nobody is right or wrong as long as results are achieved, IMO. However, some of your posts indicate you did not read the article, because you're attributing things to this method that are specifically cautioned against within the text.

This article should be required reading for any paint polisher. Whether you agree or disagree at the end is inconsequential, the point is to get you thinking about what's going on rather than just hammering away with your machine and hoping for the best.

Now everyone give my thumbs a round of applause for tapping all this shit out on my phone.

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trm2 · 05-13-2013, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CamaroDreams07

It's definitely opinion. I happen to agree with priming (NOT to be confused with saturating) a pad with polish prior to beginning. You do this once per pad, not after each panel. Once the pad is primed, it's primed.

I spray a few extra pumps of my Optimum polish on my clean optimum MF disc and massage it into the fibers. Then I give it a pump or two of polish for the first section.

With foam I spread a generous amount onto the pad and work it in. Then I apply my 3-4 dots and attack the first section.

I agree with quite a bit in the KB article, although it is just opinion we happen to share.

This isn't a junkman thread, so we can agree there is more than one way to get results. This is just one way that happens to work for Roshan, KB, and myself. And I guarantee you that even within this same school of thought, we all do it slightly differently.

Nobody is right or wrong as long as results are achieved, IMO. However, some of your posts indicate you did not read the article, because you're attributing things to this method that are specifically cautioned against within the text.

This article should be required reading for any paint polisher. Whether you agree or disagree at the end is inconsequential, the point is to get you thinking about what's going on rather than just hammering away with your machine and hoping for the best.

Now everyone give my thumbs a round of applause for tapping all this shit out on my phone.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

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05-11-2013, 07:55 PM	#1
ihaveacamaro I like teeth. Drives: #198 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida Posts: 4,817	Pad Priming Discussion Let's discuss some pad priming and what methods people use. I personally subscribe to the Kevin Brown Method. This method is to completely cover the pad with polish and then add 3 drops of polish to start and then further as needed. Also, no detail spray on the pad is recommended. In fact, there is a huge shift in the industry towards this method. Mike Phillips (the face of Autogeek IE Blackfire, Pinnacle, Detailer's Pro, Diamondite, and other brands are all owned by Autogeek) and Meguiar's now also recommend this method. And those are the only the ones I know of. I'm sure there are others. The reason I subscribe to this method is the science behind it. For the first time, the science behind pad priming is clearly explained and the effects of those results are explained as well. If you would like to read them, here is his link: http://www.buffdaddy.com/files/15195...g_Agents-1.pdf Now this isn't to say other methods don't work, just that they can be improved upon. So what method do you guys use and why? __________________ . Please check out my youtube detailing channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/roshan517 "When you want to succeed as bad as you want to breathe, then you will be successful."

05-11-2013, 08:38 PM	#2
ec1990 Drives: 2012 AGM SS Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,407	I like the KB method, although I do debate whether you need additional product before starting on the first pass. I like priming it by spreading it over the pad by hand then ensuring full coverage by using a 1 speed or so to spread the product to any missed areas. But I think that it's extremely difficult to use enough product to cover the pad, for it to soak in, and not have excess product in the pad. Do you think MF pads should be primed the same way? __________________ Check out my blog for product reviews on detailing products!

05-11-2013, 08:53 PM	#3
LIM3 it's mind bottling.. Drives: SGM Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: miami floirda. Posts: 5,393	awesome __________________

05-11-2013, 09:14 PM	#4
CamaroDreams07 Drives: Slow V6 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: East Lansing, MI Posts: 9,361 View My Garage	I didn't know it was called the Kevin Brown method, but that's what I do as well. Never really subscribed to the Adam's method. __________________ [B]

05-11-2013, 09:27 PM	#6
ec1990 Drives: 2012 AGM SS Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,407	Yeah the first time I used it I got quite a bit of dust and I think it may have been a cause. BTW what do you think of LC MF pads? They don't split up compounding and finishing MF pads, but I also heard the difference is purely the foam structure in them for Megs/Optimum ones. But I do think priming is different for foam/MF pads just because you can overprime a MF pad where the the pad lays flat whereas you don't have to worry about that for foam pads. __________________ Check out my blog for product reviews on detailing products!

05-12-2013, 01:39 AM	#7
axis Search Ninja Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Ark Posts: 7,183	Whether it works or not, it seems like a lot is going to waste, especially if you're cleaning your pad after every panel. If I was any of those companies, i'd be telling my customers use more product as well, whether it's needed or not. I definitely use more than what JM shows you in his vids but no where near the amount that the OP uses. __________________ 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Halltech CF 102 fed GPI modded intake manifold Bo (knows) White ported TB Kooks LT's/ Dynomax VT Pfadted (springs/sways) Dyno tuned by Rhino and GPI I once parallel parked a train.

05-12-2013, 11:19 AM	#10
usranger80 Drives: 2011 1LT "Bumblebee" Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: San Angelo, TX Posts: 699 View My Garage	How much do you guys really use? I have done 4 full PC's on my car since I got it and I still have more than 1/2 bottle left of all my Products, at this rate it will take four years to use it all, as far as effectiveness I have used Adams method and the KB method, didn't really notice a difference, they both worked just fine. __________________

05-13-2013, 03:50 AM	#13
CamaroDreams07 Drives: Slow V6 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: East Lansing, MI Posts: 9,361 View My Garage	It's definitely opinion. I happen to agree with priming (NOT to be confused with saturating) a pad with polish prior to beginning. You do this once per pad, not after each panel. Once the pad is primed, it's primed. I spray a few extra pumps of my Optimum polish on my clean optimum MF disc and massage it into the fibers. Then I give it a pump or two of polish for the first section. With foam I spread a generous amount onto the pad and work it in. Then I apply my 3-4 dots and attack the first section. I agree with quite a bit in the KB article, although it is just opinion we happen to share. This isn't a junkman thread, so we can agree there is more than one way to get results. This is just one way that happens to work for Roshan, KB, and myself. And I guarantee you that even within this same school of thought, we all do it slightly differently. Nobody is right or wrong as long as results are achieved, IMO. However, some of your posts indicate you did not read the article, because you're attributing things to this method that are specifically cautioned against within the text. This article should be required reading for any paint polisher. Whether you agree or disagree at the end is inconsequential, the point is to get you thinking about what's going on rather than just hammering away with your machine and hoping for the best. Now everyone give my thumbs a round of applause for tapping all this shit out on my phone. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 __________________ [B]