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LOWDOWN · 10-25-2011, 01:30 PM

Not at all times, Brian. ONLY in Gen-4, as an answer to the Firehawk, requested by the guy that started SLP down their path: John Middlebrook. A very smart man. The "father" of 0% for 60 months, post-9/11. The man that got folks back into GM showrooms, post-9/11. That John Middlebrook...

Gen-1 (the version the current car dreams of emulating!), the Z/28 was THE street version to have for all-'round usage...PERIOD...unless the Mrs. wanted air and automatic, or you didn't have the talent to "row gears"...or you lived on/at a drag strip...

Again, Brian, Chev made 20,000 '69 Z/28s...and there's about 100,000 out there, today, by badge count...and most "SS" versions out there have Z/28-specific stripes painted on 'em...

What's the overwhelming choice for stripes for current Gen-5 Camaros? "Z/28-style", that's what...even though they're worn by "SS" or, worse yet, "LT" Camaros. You've got 'em on yours...

flopjack · 10-25-2011, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WYKOFF69Z

They glue SS emblems on Trailblazers.

Who was it that said: "Any Chevy can be an SS. Only a Camaro can be a Z/28."

flopjack · 10-25-2011, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaximoSS

2013 Camaro Z-28

It seems to me that mid-season 2013 MY is the time frame that makes sense. 2013 ZL1 Convertible will come out in Augustish, it appears, so Feb 2013 Z/28...stay tuned and hope...LS7...? Perhaps!

2cnd chance · 10-25-2011, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian52682

Am I TOTALLY missing something here or have I just been delusional my whole life. I always thought the Hierarchy was as follows:

Base < Z28 < SS < ZL1

After reading this topic everyone seems to think the Z28 is > SS but when has that ever been the case?

Here we go again...

LOWDOWN · 10-25-2011, 04:21 PM

Anything GM produces with the Z/28 badge attached MUST equal/exceed the BOSS, for it is now the "benchmark" for non-blown nimbleness...just as the BOSS 302, 'way back when, used the Z/28 as its "benchmark".

12.4 quarter-miles, near/equal GT500 lap times (for BOSS), "feel", braking..."heritage"...

That's just the way the motoring press will "match" them...the way the driving enthusiasts will "match" them...and, therefore, the buying public will "match" them...second-by-second, foot-by-foot, grin-by-grin...and dollar-for-dollar...

...and I don't think a tweaked LS3 hauling 3850 +/- will "git 'er done" handily...

LOWDOWN · 10-25-2011, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flopjack

Who was it that said: "Any Chevy can be an SS. Only a Camaro can be a Z/28."

Correct.

Has there ever been an Impala Z/28? A Malibu Z/28? A Cobalt Z/28? Nada...

Silverado Z/28? TrailBlazer Z/28? Hell there was even an S-10 SS...

Z/28? Sumthin' special...just like the Church Lady said...

wildpaws · 10-25-2011, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian52682

So all I am gathering is the SS is > Z28 so why would GM make the Z28 better than the SS? When they have produced both vehicles the Camaro SS has always been an upgrade to the Z28.

I won't even bother with answering your assumptions, there has been more than enough discussion with more than enough documentation in at least dozens of threads on this site alone. You'll likely find much of the same on any Camaro discussion site. In the first gen. Camaro, if you wanted a quarter mile performer you bought an SS, if you wanted a well rounded corner carver that could still turn respectable 1/4 mile times and showed nothing but tailights to an SS on curves, then you bought a Z/28. So it was buyer's choice, the SS one trick pony or the totally balanced all around performance of the Z/28.
Clyde

*DGthe3* · 10-25-2011, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Anything GM produces with the Z/28 badge attached MUST equal/exceed the BOSS, for it is now the "benchmark" for non-blown nimbleness...just as the BOSS 302, 'way back when, used the Z/28 as its "benchmark".

12.4 quarter-miles, near/equal GT500 lap times (for BOSS), "feel", braking..."heritage"...

That's just the way the motoring press will "match" them...the way the driving enthusiasts will "match" them...and, therefore, the buying public will "match" them...second-by-second, foot-by-foot, grin-by-grin...and dollar-for-dollar...

...and I don't think a tweaked LS3 hauling 3850 +/- will "git 'er done" handily...

It could. The IRS & chassis rigidity that are largely responsible for that extra weight also give the Camaro the potential to handle better, assuming it has the proper suspension package (which the Z28 should have). Combine that with the extra midrange torque of an "LS3+" and the Z28 should have a pretty stout advantage coming out of the corner.

That said ... the same still applies to an LS7 powered Z28, only that car should have an advantage everywhere.

OldScoolCamaro · 10-25-2011, 09:06 PM

Thread title says are we giving up on the Z-28? I say a resounding no. I am however giving up on the ZL1 because there are too many games being played. I don't want to be associated with a rat race game of chasing ones tail. I will wait on what I really wanted all along. The Z-28. Woody, count me out. I'm done with you.

2cnd chance · 10-25-2011, 09:16 PM

^Welcome home. Oh and who's Woody?

Rogan · 10-25-2011, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian52682

So all I am gathering is the SS is > Z28 so why would GM make the Z28 better than the SS? When they have produced both vehicles the Camaro SS has always been an upgrade to the Z28.

I think that was only in the 4th Gen, so I was confused at first like you are. A Z28 having everything the zl1 has minus the supercharger would be a great purchase.

Fightinfire921 · 10-25-2011, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

Thread title says are we giving up on the Z-28? I say a resounding no. I am however giving up on the ZL1 because there are too many games being played. I don't want to be associated with a rat race game of chasing ones tail. I will wait on what I really wanted all along. The Z-28. Woody, count me out. I'm done with you.

OldScool, it's gonna be another rat race once the Z/28 is announced.

Inquiring minds would like to know, who's Woody?

LOWDOWN · 10-26-2011, 10:12 AM

Woody...or won't-e...only OldSchool knows fersure!

Stick by our side, folks...and we'll share the "ride", 5-point cinched 'n buckled...

OldScoolCamaro · 10-26-2011, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Woody...or won't-e...only OldSchool knows fersure!

Stick by our side, folks...and we'll share the "ride", 5-point cinched 'n buckled...

LOL....youse guys are too much....

, fershure....!!!

. I just sent Carnac to Funk and Wagnel's back porch for the answer...

10-25-2011, 01:30 PM	#169
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	Not at all times, Brian. ONLY in Gen-4, as an answer to the Firehawk, requested by the guy that started SLP down their path: John Middlebrook. A very smart man. The "father" of 0% for 60 months, post-9/11. The man that got folks back into GM showrooms, post-9/11. That John Middlebrook... Gen-1 (the version the current car dreams of emulating!), the Z/28 was THE street version to have for all-'round usage...PERIOD...unless the Mrs. wanted air and automatic, or you didn't have the talent to "row gears"...or you lived on/at a drag strip... Again, Brian, Chev made 20,000 '69 Z/28s...and there's about 100,000 out there, today, by badge count...and most "SS" versions out there have Z/28-specific stripes painted on 'em... What's the overwhelming choice for stripes for current Gen-5 Camaros? "Z/28-style", that's what...even though they're worn by "SS" or, worse yet, "LT" Camaros. You've got 'em on yours... Last edited by LOWDOWN; 10-25-2011 at 04:50 PM.

10-25-2011, 09:06 PM	#177
OldScoolCamaro Drives: Camaro's, always have, always will. Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Home of the brave Posts: 4,851	Thread title says are we giving up on the Z-28? I say a resounding no. I am however giving up on the ZL1 because there are too many games being played. I don't want to be associated with a rat race game of chasing ones tail. I will wait on what I really wanted all along. The Z-28. Woody, count me out. I'm done with you. __________________ In Scott We Trust...all others must show proof.

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10-25-2011, 04:21 PM	#173
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	Anything GM produces with the Z/28 badge attached MUST equal/exceed the BOSS, for it is now the "benchmark" for non-blown nimbleness...just as the BOSS 302, 'way back when, used the Z/28 as its "benchmark". 12.4 quarter-miles, near/equal GT500 lap times (for BOSS), "feel", braking..."heritage"... That's just the way the motoring press will "match" them...the way the driving enthusiasts will "match" them...and, therefore, the buying public will "match" them...second-by-second, foot-by-foot, grin-by-grin...and dollar-for-dollar... ...and I don't think a tweaked LS3 hauling 3850 +/- will "git 'er done" handily...

10-25-2011, 09:16 PM	#178
2cnd chance Too Many Great Choices Drives: Grand Sport/Z07 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: A Mountain Road Posts: 7,454	^Welcome home. Oh and who's Woody?

10-26-2011, 10:12 AM	#181
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	Woody...or won't-e...only OldSchool knows fersure! Stick by our side, folks...and we'll share the "ride", 5-point cinched 'n buckled...