ZL1 Vengeance Kaotik cam with stock pulleys power gain??? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Ranger175 · 10-03-2016, 08:38 PM

I'm really wanting to upgrade my cam before pulleys. Crazy I know. I really can't find much in the way of power gains with a bigger cam such as the Kaotik and keeping stock pulleys. Anybody have an idea? I do plan to upgrade pulleys down the road, but given my budget, I really want a cam more than pulleys. I currently have CAI and LTs. Thanks for the help.

Nor Cal ZL1 · 10-03-2016, 08:42 PM

The right cam with your current mods should net 600 wheel. You will need injectors though.

Ranger175 · 10-03-2016, 09:08 PM

Ok. I forgot to mention along with all the supporting mods for the cam, I was considering 850 injectors and a catch can, and 160 thermostat.

ZO6 Bryan · 10-03-2016, 09:12 PM

That's a poor cam choice for a PD blower car. Way too much overlap. Especially if you're not turning up the boost A LOT.

Nor Cal ZL1 · 10-03-2016, 09:30 PM

I'm not familiar with the cam specs, but Bryan is surely giving you good advice on the overlap.

Ranger175 · 10-03-2016, 09:45 PM

I see. What about going safe with their VRPD-2 cam 231/239 .617/.624 118+4 or their VRSC-2 Camshaft- 231/239 .617/.624 115+4? I believe these are geared more for PD/forced induction. What kind of gains with these?

STUNNAH · 10-03-2016, 10:51 PM

You would be much happier doing the pulleys first...Just an upper pulley with your current mods would put you at 600 RWHP easily and a lot less expensive...

Nor Cal ZL1 · 10-04-2016, 12:04 AM

He wants a cam more then pulleys. More expensive for the same hp, yes.
There are, however some other benefits such as losing some boost which in turn will produce less IAT heat. For road course a proper cam for hp is better than speeding up the supercharger and adding heat to a already marginal cooling situation.

STUNNAH · 10-04-2016, 02:35 AM

[QUOTE=Nor Cal ZL1;9342363]He wants a cam more then pulleys. More expensive for the same hp, yes.
There are, however some other benefits such as losing some boost which in turn will produce less IAT heat. For road course a proper cam for hp is better than speeding up the supercharger and adding heat to a already marginal cooling situation.[/QUOTE

He was asking for suggestions and he didn't state what the purpose of the build was for, so pulleys would be the best option...He also has a limited budget, which again would favor the pulleys...Or he can get a 0% credit card and get it all...

ZO6 Bryan · 10-04-2016, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ranger175

I see. What about going safe with their VRPD-2 cam 231/239 .617/.624 118+4 or their VRSC-2 Camshaft- 231/239 .617/.624 115+4? I believe these are geared more for PD/forced induction. What kind of gains with these?

That VRPD-2 would be a good choice. With -1 deg overlap, intake closes at 49.5 deg ABDC and exhaust opens at 61.5 deg BBDC. That would be a good blower cam and would drive very nicely even though it a a rather big cam.

JANNETTYRACING · 10-04-2016, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ranger175

I'm really wanting to upgrade my cam before pulleys. Crazy I know. I really can't find much in the way of power gains with a bigger cam such as the Kaotik and keeping stock pulleys. Anybody have an idea? I do plan to upgrade pulleys down the road, but given my budget, I really want a cam more than pulleys. I currently have CAI and LTs. Thanks for the help.

It is Unlikely you will pick up much power as the blower is the dictator of air flow, if you don't spin it faster you won't gain any significant power.

in order to install a cam you have to remove the balancer so you may as well install the ATI superdamper and 22.5% pulley to go along with a cam, injectors, and fuel pump voltage booster.

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Originally Posted by ZO6 Bryan

That's a poor cam choice for a PD blower car. Way too much overlap. Especially if you're not turning up the boost A LOT.

This for sure.

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Originally Posted by Ranger175

Ok. I forgot to mention along with all the supporting mods for the cam, I was considering 850 injectors and a catch can, and 160 thermostat.

Great choice in injectors but go with a LPE 174 stat instead

We offer a great line of Cams specifically designed for the LSA engine, 650-700 RWHP on pump gas is common with this car.

Feel free to give us a call for a consultation.

Ted.

owhite3003 · 10-04-2016, 11:53 AM

The cam is one of my favorite mods to date. The look on peoples faces and most of the comments are " a new car isn't supposed to sound that cool" lol

rmcbee · 01-15-2017, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by owhite3003

The cam is one of my favorite mods to date. The look on peoples faces and most of the comments are " a new car isn't supposed to sound that cool" lol

What cam did you go with. I have a 2013 ZL1 automatic and I'm just looking for that lope nit worry about the rest. This.

JANNETTYRACING · 01-16-2017, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rmcbee

What cam did you go with. I have a 2013 ZL1 automatic and I'm just looking for that lope nit worry about the rest. This.

Please give me a call and I will help you get the right cam for your car.

Ted.

10-03-2016, 08:38 PM	#1
Ranger175 Drives: 2013 Camaro ZL1, M6 Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 16	ZL1 Vengeance Kaotik cam with stock pulleys power gain??? I'm really wanting to upgrade my cam before pulleys. Crazy I know. I really can't find much in the way of power gains with a bigger cam such as the Kaotik and keeping stock pulleys. Anybody have an idea? I do plan to upgrade pulleys down the road, but given my budget, I really want a cam more than pulleys. I currently have CAI and LTs. Thanks for the help. __________________ 93 tuned, 736 rwhp, 691 rwtq. FBO HCI, 2.5/9.5 pulleys, PCM’s of NC ‘ZL Win’ Cam, stock crank, Wiseco pistons, Callie’s rods, King main/Rod bearings, 1050x injectors, Elite E2 catch can, Rotofab CAI, Johnson 2110 lifters, AI 280cc p+p heads, ported 90mm TB, Lingenfelter HX, D3 reservoir, MSD BAP, BTR valve train, head/main studs, Melling oil pump, Straib trunnions, C5r timing chain, Kooks 1 7/8 LT’s w/ cat delete.

10-03-2016, 09:08 PM	#3
Ranger175 Drives: 2013 Camaro ZL1, M6 Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 16	Ok. I forgot to mention along with all the supporting mods for the cam, I was considering 850 injectors and a catch can, and 160 thermostat. __________________ 93 tuned, 736 rwhp, 691 rwtq. FBO HCI, 2.5/9.5 pulleys, PCM’s of NC ‘ZL Win’ Cam, stock crank, Wiseco pistons, Callie’s rods, King main/Rod bearings, 1050x injectors, Elite E2 catch can, Rotofab CAI, Johnson 2110 lifters, AI 280cc p+p heads, ported 90mm TB, Lingenfelter HX, D3 reservoir, MSD BAP, BTR valve train, head/main studs, Melling oil pump, Straib trunnions, C5r timing chain, Kooks 1 7/8 LT’s w/ cat delete.

10-03-2016, 09:12 PM	#4
ZO6 Bryan Drives: 02 Z06, 95 Trans Am, 2012 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Southeast Posts: 1,838 View My Garage	That's a poor cam choice for a PD blower car. Way too much overlap. Especially if you're not turning up the boost A LOT. __________________ Bryan 2018 ZL1 M6

10-03-2016, 09:45 PM	#6
Ranger175 Drives: 2013 Camaro ZL1, M6 Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 16	I see. What about going safe with their VRPD-2 cam 231/239 .617/.624 118+4 or their VRSC-2 Camshaft- 231/239 .617/.624 115+4? I believe these are geared more for PD/forced induction. What kind of gains with these? __________________ 93 tuned, 736 rwhp, 691 rwtq. FBO HCI, 2.5/9.5 pulleys, PCM’s of NC ‘ZL Win’ Cam, stock crank, Wiseco pistons, Callie’s rods, King main/Rod bearings, 1050x injectors, Elite E2 catch can, Rotofab CAI, Johnson 2110 lifters, AI 280cc p+p heads, ported 90mm TB, Lingenfelter HX, D3 reservoir, MSD BAP, BTR valve train, head/main studs, Melling oil pump, Straib trunnions, C5r timing chain, Kooks 1 7/8 LT’s w/ cat delete.

10-03-2016, 10:51 PM	#7
STUNNAH "BEASTM*DE" Drives: 2013 ZL1 Black Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,655 View My Garage	You would be much happier doing the pulleys first...Just an upper pulley with your current mods would put you at 600 RWHP easily and a lot less expensive... __________________ Vengeance Racing Stage 1 Kit 575rwhp, 569 rwtq... Rims powder coated gloss black...BFG'S Comp 2 A/S... Dual 10" Kicker Comp S Subs 1200w...

10-03-2016, 08:42 PM	#2
Nor Cal ZL1 Drives: 2013 ZL1 M6 Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 1,825	The right cam with your current mods should net 600 wheel. You will need injectors though.

10-03-2016, 09:30 PM	#5
Nor Cal ZL1 Drives: 2013 ZL1 M6 Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 1,825	I'm not familiar with the cam specs, but Bryan is surely giving you good advice on the overlap.

10-04-2016, 12:04 AM	#8
Nor Cal ZL1 Drives: 2013 ZL1 M6 Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 1,825	He wants a cam more then pulleys. More expensive for the same hp, yes. There are, however some other benefits such as losing some boost which in turn will produce less IAT heat. For road course a proper cam for hp is better than speeding up the supercharger and adding heat to a already marginal cooling situation.

10-04-2016, 02:35 AM	#9
STUNNAH "BEASTM*DE" Drives: 2013 ZL1 Black Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,655 View My Garage	[QUOTE=Nor Cal ZL1;9342363]He wants a cam more then pulleys. More expensive for the same hp, yes. There are, however some other benefits such as losing some boost which in turn will produce less IAT heat. For road course a proper cam for hp is better than speeding up the supercharger and adding heat to a already marginal cooling situation.[/QUOTE He was asking for suggestions and he didn't state what the purpose of the build was for, so pulleys would be the best option...He also has a limited budget, which again would favor the pulleys...Or he can get a 0% credit card and get it all... __________________ Vengeance Racing Stage 1 Kit 575rwhp, 569 rwtq... Rims powder coated gloss black...BFG'S Comp 2 A/S... Dual 10" Kicker Comp S Subs 1200w...

10-04-2016, 11:53 AM	#12
owhite3003 Z-BEAST Drives: 2013 JDP ZL-850 Track Spec ZL1, Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Oregon City, OR Posts: 1,470	The cam is one of my favorite mods to date. The look on peoples faces and most of the comments are " a new car isn't supposed to sound that cool" lol