Why so much love for the maggie?

[radz28]

If you're looking for the ultimate in SC power, you're probably right on track. Whether-or-not the twin screws can show the centrifugals up remains to be seen, but the newer ones show promise.

I suggest Procharger as an alterative, too, in that case...

[BlownChevy]

And there goes another thread

The one thing I can say is this: You cant please everyone, and the argument will NEVER change. There are plenty of 750-900 RWHP guys out there, just because they do not waive their flags on the forums does not mean they do not exist.

There is a reason we are the #1 supercharger manufacture, some say it is because we were first to market, some say it is our marketing, and some say it is the quality product. I say it is all of the above in conjunction with an awesome customer following, and great CUSTOMER SUPPORT. We could not be who we are without the automotive community, it is each of you that has helped us become #1.


We appreciate each and everyone of you Now, back to work building the best supercharger system on the market

[Levi_Engle]

BlownChevy, are you with Magnacharger? I'm asking because I want to know if there are any Maggies that put out over 900rwhp, I'm interested because I may want one, not because I'm being a d**k, someone said that there was.

[radz28]

I've only found information up to a little more than 800 RWHP; it sounded like it was more a problem with belt slipage than anything, but unless a person is looking for more than all-out power, I still think this is a great choice. Can anyone really use 800+ RWHP on the street anyways? No. It's cool to say that you have it though

[Levi_Engle]

Alrighty then, that's all I wanted to know, hope nobody got offended because no offense or suggestives intended. I own neither a Vortech nor a Magnacharger, which is why I asked the question, for some research by owners of the products. Hooah

[BlownChevy]

The power can be made with the proper supporting hardware. If you are serious about making the power, Kenny Duttweiler has done it.

[radz28]

He got pretty close to 1000 HP.

[Blownhotrodder]

I love seeing the manufacturers getting involved on the forums. Thanks to you guys.

[FastMatt]

There is more then one way to skin a cat.

But IMO It's not PEEK power #'s that make a car fast, or fun to drive on the street. It's the average power it makes across the RPM range.

Here are Dyno charts from 2 Camaros making close to the same power, Both stock 6.2L bottom ends. Both running 9psi, both having a blower cam, both having header, The Magi car had ported heads the Vortec car did not.

The Magi, TVS2300 dyno


And the Vortec Dyno





At 2500 rpm the Magi Car is making 580 ft/lb of TQ and 280 HP

The Vortec car is making 370 ft/lb and 180hp

At 3500 rpm the Magi car is making 660 ft/lb and 440hp

THe Vortec car is making 470ft/lb and 320hp

At 4500 the Magi car is making 660 ft/lb and 565 HP

The Vortec car is making 565 ft/lb and 480hp

At 5500 the magi car is making 630 ft/lb and 660hp

The Vortec car is making 595ft/lb and 620hp

At 6500 the Magi car is making 560ft/lb and 695hp

The Vortec car is making 540ft/lb and 670hp


Also the Magi car brakes 550 ft/lb at 2200 rpm, and the Vortec car take to twice that at 4400 rpm to brake 550ft/lb


As you can see, the peek HP #'s are close, but below the peek the Magi car makes WAY more power every were. The lower you get in the RPM range and more advantage the Magi car has.

Like I said there is more then one way to skin a cat. And if you were looking to make 800+whp on a built motor you would have a hard time doing it with the TVS, but there are Vortec's that will get you there and well beyond.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by FastMatt

There is more then one way to skin a cat.

But IMO It's not PEEK power #'s that make a car fast, or fun to drive on the street. It's the average power it makes across the RPM range.

Here are Dyno charts from 2 Camaros making close to the same power, Both stock 6.2L bottom ends. Both running 9psi, both having a blower cam, both having header, The Magi car had ported heads the Vortec car did not.

The Magi, TVS2300 dyno


And the Vortec Dyno





At 2500 rpm the Magi Car is making 580 ft/lb of TQ and 280 HP

The Vortec car is making 370 ft/lb and 180hp

At 3500 rpm the Magi car is making 660 ft/lb and 440hp

THe Vortec car is making 470ft/lb and 320hp

At 4500 the Magi car is making 660 ft/lb and 565 HP

The Vortec car is making 565 ft/lb and 480hp

At 5500 the magi car is making 630 ft/lb and 660hp

The Vortec car is making 595ft/lb and 620hp

At 6500 the Magi car is making 560ft/lb and 695hp

The Vortec car is making 540ft/lb and 670hp


Also the Magi car brakes 550 ft/lb at 2200 rpm, and the Vortec car take to twice that at 4400 rpm to brake 550ft/lb


As you can see, the peek HP #'s are close, but below the peek the Magi car makes WAY more power every were. The lower you get in the RPM range and more advantage the Magi car has.

Like I said there is more then one way to skin a cat. And if you were looking to make 800+whp on a built motor you would have a hard time doing it with the TVS, but there are Vortec's that will get you there and well beyond.

Good post. Nothing like pictures to show your point Too bad it wasn't apples to apples, but it is what it is.

What is a little confusing to me is, is that I'm not seeing many posts, anywhere, that seem to really be pushing the Maggies. I see many around 10s to low teens, not that many that are pushing more.

[Nine Ball]

Originally Posted by Brian@Vortech

Unfortunately, whoever set your car up and tuned it is to blame for your poor impression of the results from your Viper. With a pulley swap and a re-tune, your car will make more power, and do so sooner in the rpm band. It would be a completely different animal, and your opinion of the centrifugal would change entirely. If your centrifugal supercharged car isn't in boost by 2,600-2,800rpm, then it isn't set up correctly. Plain and simple.

You are right, I am clueless and the shop/tuners I use just suck. They only hold most of the track records for building LS-powered cars.

Vipers have a safe rwhp limit of ~700 rwhp before the pistons crumble. Mine is at 675 rwhp, so it is close enough to that safe level. Yes, it does make some boost at lower RPM, but nothing to be proud of. The Paxton does look nice under my hood, and it does do well in the 1/4-mile (car traps 135 mph), but it is truly a boring setup to drive around 99% of the time. Feels stock until after 5,000 rpm or 100 mph, whichever comes first.

[Brian@Vortech]

Originally Posted by Nine Ball

Yes, it does make some boost at lower RPM

Originally Posted by Nine Ball

it does do well in the 1/4-mile (car traps 135 mph)

Sounds like the supercharger is doing its job then.

It sounds more like the "safe rwhp limit" of the engine is what you are bored with, which is certainly not a shortcoming of the supercharger in any way, shape, or form. Becoming used to the power output of your car is an unfortunate and inevitable side-effect of any setup given enough time. There are Vipers with built engines running the same Paxton NOVI 2000 making comfortably over 1,000 hp, so the supercharger is ready to make more power when you are.

With 700rwhp feeling slow to you, you truly have my respect. Most people have no concept of even what that much power is like, and you are bored with it. My hat is off to you.

[redsap05]

because the screw type blowers are more fun to drive due to the low end torque and the seat of the pants power delivery. I have riden/driven both and even though the centrifical may be qually as fast the screw just seems more fun. Also the tvs blower rivals some twin screws. Take a look at this. a gt500 with a tvs 2300 @ 18psi making 738 to the tire and 715rwtrq.
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...mm-tb-lts.html

[will69camaro]

Originally Posted by BlownChevy

There is a reason we are the #1 supercharger manufacture, some say it is because we were first to market, some say it is our marketing, and some say it is the quality product. I say it is all of the above in conjunction with an awesome customer following, and great CUSTOMER SUPPORT. We could not be who we are without the automotive community, it is each of you that has helped us become #1.

That's pretty much it. Hard to argue when a company offers a product MONTHS in advance to it's rivals, never hesitates to respond to emails/phone calls with questions. Haven't ever heard any complaints on the quality of their product or the support but will have to see first hand when ours arrives soon

William