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Levi_Engle · 03-27-2011, 01:46 PM

How much of a loss in hp will I be taking getting new headers without getting an upgrade in the mid-pipe? (not changing to an x-pipe). Just concerned about the worth of getting headers with or without any upgrade behind the headers... Thanks!

caverman · 03-27-2011, 01:56 PM

I think you mean cat-back. If you go with long tube headers you'll have no choice but to change your mid-pipe.

There are plenty of people that run the stock cat-back with LT headers. There will be very little to no HP difference in the OEM cat-back vs aftermarket.

mikeSS · 03-27-2011, 02:01 PM

like what caverman said you need to upgrade the mid pipe. by upgrading the factory " cat back" you should gain like 10HP with a good tune.

Levi_Engle · 03-27-2011, 02:13 PM

Yeah I meant to the cat lol k cuz I got Magnaflow from the axle-back. Just wanted to make sure it was worth getting headers and cat-back, is that the same as headers and hi- flow cats? Or that's just to the cat converter??

Levi_Engle · 03-27-2011, 02:21 PM

I'm confused because looking at the ARH it shows long tube SHORT system with cats... I thought short system meant not adding the cats into the purchase..?

mikeSS · 03-27-2011, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levi_Engle

I'm confused because looking at the ARH it shows long tube SHORT system with cats... I thought short system meant not adding the cats into the purchase..?

can you link the page?

Levi_Engle · 03-27-2011, 02:31 PM

http://www.LMPerformance.com/c/7/119.html

Levi_Engle · 03-27-2011, 02:35 PM

And here's the item: http://www.LMPerformance.com/56673/119.html

mikeSS · 03-27-2011, 02:41 PM

this system should come with mid pipes. it says it comes with high flow cats which is mid pipes . they said it connects to your x or h pipes. and you need a mid pipe to do that. and the price is 1300 is that sounds like mid pipes are included.

Levi_Engle · 03-27-2011, 02:42 PM

Not sure why there's ARH 1 7/8 long tube short system with xpipe and cats AND then ARH 1 7/8 long tube with xpipe and cats...

Levi_Engle · 03-27-2011, 02:44 PM

K cuz I see the price difference but what's the difference in the product and hp produced

mikeSS · 03-27-2011, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levi_Engle

Not sure why there's ARH 1 7/8 long tube short system with xpipe and cats AND then ARH 1 7/8 long tube with xpipe and cats...

here what you want, this will connect to your axle back.
http://www.lgmotorsports.com/catalog...oducts_id=2113

comes with x pipe, mid pipes. in one piece

Levi_Engle · 03-27-2011, 02:47 PM

Oh I see! Doesn't show x-pipe lol but what's the hp difference between stock and an x-pipe?

mikeSS · 03-27-2011, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levi_Engle

Oh I see! Doesn't show x-pipe lol but what's the hp difference between stock and an x-pipe?

10HP and sound.

03-27-2011, 01:46 PM	#1
Levi_Engle Drives: 2010 SS Camaro Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 42	Hp difference in headers upgrade with/without mid pipe upgrade How much of a loss in hp will I be taking getting new headers without getting an upgrade in the mid-pipe? (not changing to an x-pipe). Just concerned about the worth of getting headers with or without any upgrade behind the headers... Thanks! __________________ 2010 SS Camaro/6.2L-V8 Magnaflow Competition Series Axle-Back, Vararam Air Intake, Black bow ties, tinted tailights and side lights and reverse lights, Blacked out head lights, brushed super sport fuel door, blacked out SS logos front and rear. Boss 339 Black Rims with Red Bezel. Next: American Racing Headers, Vengeance Stage III Cam. Red halos Last: Vortech V-7ysi Supercharger, Body kit

03-27-2011, 01:56 PM	#2
caverman Drives: '69 SS Convertible Join Date: May 2009 Location: DFW, TX Posts: 7,111	I think you mean cat-back. If you go with long tube headers you'll have no choice but to change your mid-pipe. There are plenty of people that run the stock cat-back with LT headers. There will be very little to no HP difference in the OEM cat-back vs aftermarket. __________________ *-2010 Camaro* 2SS \| M6 \| VR w/White Stripes \| 1 3/4" KOOKS - 3" Magnaflow \| LPE 3.91 gears \| ADM tuned \| Halltech w/ADM Scoop \| Spohn/BMR Trailing Arm/Toe Rod \| BC Coilovers\| Pedders FE4 ZL1 swaybars \| Cradle/Diff/Radius Rod bushings \| VMax TB \| Morimoto Projectors \| MGW shifter \| Red Calipers Build Journal

03-27-2011, 02:13 PM	#4
Levi_Engle Drives: 2010 SS Camaro Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 42	Yeah I meant to the cat lol k cuz I got Magnaflow from the axle-back. Just wanted to make sure it was worth getting headers and cat-back, is that the same as headers and hi- flow cats? Or that's just to the cat converter?? __________________ 2010 SS Camaro/6.2L-V8 Magnaflow Competition Series Axle-Back, Vararam Air Intake, Black bow ties, tinted tailights and side lights and reverse lights, Blacked out head lights, brushed super sport fuel door, blacked out SS logos front and rear. Boss 339 Black Rims with Red Bezel. Next: American Racing Headers, Vengeance Stage III Cam. Red halos Last: Vortech V-7ysi Supercharger, Body kit

03-27-2011, 02:21 PM	#5
Levi_Engle Drives: 2010 SS Camaro Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 42	I'm confused because looking at the ARH it shows long tube SHORT system with cats... I thought short system meant not adding the cats into the purchase..? __________________ 2010 SS Camaro/6.2L-V8 Magnaflow Competition Series Axle-Back, Vararam Air Intake, Black bow ties, tinted tailights and side lights and reverse lights, Blacked out head lights, brushed super sport fuel door, blacked out SS logos front and rear. Boss 339 Black Rims with Red Bezel. Next: American Racing Headers, Vengeance Stage III Cam. Red halos Last: Vortech V-7ysi Supercharger, Body kit

03-27-2011, 02:31 PM	#7
Levi_Engle Drives: 2010 SS Camaro Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 42	http://www.LMPerformance.com/c/7/119.html __________________ 2010 SS Camaro/6.2L-V8 Magnaflow Competition Series Axle-Back, Vararam Air Intake, Black bow ties, tinted tailights and side lights and reverse lights, Blacked out head lights, brushed super sport fuel door, blacked out SS logos front and rear. Boss 339 Black Rims with Red Bezel. Next: American Racing Headers, Vengeance Stage III Cam. Red halos Last: Vortech V-7ysi Supercharger, Body kit

03-27-2011, 02:01 PM	#3
mikeSS Drives: 2015 c7 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MI Posts: 7,462	like what caverman said you need to upgrade the mid pipe. by upgrading the factory " cat back" you should gain like 10HP with a good tune.

03-27-2011, 02:35 PM	#8
Levi_Engle Drives: 2010 SS Camaro Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 42	And here's the item: http://www.LMPerformance.com/56673/119.html __________________ 2010 SS Camaro/6.2L-V8 Magnaflow Competition Series Axle-Back, Vararam Air Intake, Black bow ties, tinted tailights and side lights and reverse lights, Blacked out head lights, brushed super sport fuel door, blacked out SS logos front and rear. Boss 339 Black Rims with Red Bezel. Next: American Racing Headers, Vengeance Stage III Cam. Red halos Last: Vortech V-7ysi Supercharger, Body kit

03-27-2011, 02:41 PM	#9
mikeSS Drives: 2015 c7 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MI Posts: 7,462	this system should come with mid pipes. it says it comes with high flow cats which is mid pipes . they said it connects to your x or h pipes. and you need a mid pipe to do that. and the price is 1300 is that sounds like mid pipes are included.

03-27-2011, 02:42 PM	#10
Levi_Engle Drives: 2010 SS Camaro Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 42	Not sure why there's ARH 1 7/8 long tube short system with xpipe and cats AND then ARH 1 7/8 long tube with xpipe and cats... __________________ 2010 SS Camaro/6.2L-V8 Magnaflow Competition Series Axle-Back, Vararam Air Intake, Black bow ties, tinted tailights and side lights and reverse lights, Blacked out head lights, brushed super sport fuel door, blacked out SS logos front and rear. Boss 339 Black Rims with Red Bezel. Next: American Racing Headers, Vengeance Stage III Cam. Red halos Last: Vortech V-7ysi Supercharger, Body kit

03-27-2011, 02:44 PM	#11
Levi_Engle Drives: 2010 SS Camaro Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 42	K cuz I see the price difference but what's the difference in the product and hp produced __________________ 2010 SS Camaro/6.2L-V8 Magnaflow Competition Series Axle-Back, Vararam Air Intake, Black bow ties, tinted tailights and side lights and reverse lights, Blacked out head lights, brushed super sport fuel door, blacked out SS logos front and rear. Boss 339 Black Rims with Red Bezel. Next: American Racing Headers, Vengeance Stage III Cam. Red halos Last: Vortech V-7ysi Supercharger, Body kit

03-27-2011, 02:47 PM	#13
Levi_Engle Drives: 2010 SS Camaro Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 42	Oh I see! Doesn't show x-pipe lol but what's the hp difference between stock and an x-pipe? __________________ 2010 SS Camaro/6.2L-V8 Magnaflow Competition Series Axle-Back, Vararam Air Intake, Black bow ties, tinted tailights and side lights and reverse lights, Blacked out head lights, brushed super sport fuel door, blacked out SS logos front and rear. Boss 339 Black Rims with Red Bezel. Next: American Racing Headers, Vengeance Stage III Cam. Red halos Last: Vortech V-7ysi Supercharger, Body kit

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