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[72MachOne99GT]

Originally Posted by 2ndCamaro79

Z06 starts at $75,600K and top speed is 198mph and you know they wish it will hit 200mph, but that cost more of this $$$$$$$$ Plus its only got two seats and is super light, now what would it cost to make a heavier car with four seats and less aero parts hit the magic 200mph???

Was this in reference to GM wishing the z06 did 200, or in reference to the GT500 that already did it?

We don't know what the top speed of the 11/12 GT500 might have been because it was limited. Pretend it was near the 18x of the ZL1.

Ford added 100 hp, improved the aerodynamics, and played with the underbody.

Why can't it do 200 mph?

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

Just a curious thought, but what does the Z06 max out at? (going to go search that after I post this lol)

But I'm sure it's very close to 200 mph.

Now, what did it cost when it first come out? Would it have truly cost GM that much to make said car achieve 200 mph?

Now, why is it so hard to believe that ford isn't going to be able to do so?

the Z06 is odd because it is drag limited. so you will see people post 198 which is what the manufature calculated but in reality it can be less or more depending on the conditions.

the Z06 will do 200 all day long IMO with a 5th gear swap. I think it is the loss of mechanical advantage in 5th gear that hurts you you shift there at 165 and you can feel it.

5th gear at 7k is 227mph so it is what ever the car will pull in its surroundings. head wind no 200. nice tailwind could do 200.

[BATMAN!]

Originally Posted by 2ndCamaro79

To make things worse those car and driver estimates came in on the low side for the ZL1. So if their estimate for the Shelby proves the same the 2013 price should be well......

Ford also said they benchmarked the performance for the Shelby on the Ford Gt. Chevy benchmarked the Vett GS and 2012 Shelby. The Ford GT was a $150,000 car back in 2005/2006?

Just saying normally cars that hit 200 plus mph do cost 60K

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If I'm correct I believe the top speed of the ford gt is actually 211 mph and I also remember seeing something about that being limited.

Why isn't the zr1 on that list certainly it tops 200.?

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by 69NMYSS

The recent Car and Driver that has the ZL1 on the cover (March) has a full article on the '13 GT500. They got to take a ride along on Fords proving grounds. They estimate the BASE price of the '13 GT500 will be $59k. They also estimate it will do 0-60 in 3.7 seconds and the 1/4 in 11.7 seconds. I would say all these estimates are right on. Thats a steep price for a base model, you Ford boys better start saving, especially if you want the performance package and track pack.

your going to stir up a whole can of worms here. all the ford faithful say 53k max it has to be cheaper than the ZL1 cause for is always cheaper than chevy.

[2ndCamaro79]

Originally Posted by BATMAN!

If I'm correct I believe the top speed of the ford gt is actually 211 mph and I also remember seeing something about that being limited.

Why isn't the zr1 on that list certainly it tops 200.?

ZR1 Corvette Tie for 7th place:
Top Speed 205mph
MSRP: $111,600

[72MachOne99GT]

Originally Posted by hognutz

your going to stir up a whole can of worms here. all the ford faithful say 53k max it has to be cheaper than the ZL1 cause for is always cheaper than chevy.

I wouldn't say can of worms, just a point that he will be forced to defend *if that's possible on either side without an MSRP even released* and it'll russle some feathers either way.

If a base model does 200 for less than teh ZL1, some feelings will be hurt.
If the base comes in around 58-59 and all the performance options ring up a 63K+ tag then there will be some hurt ford guys too (especially me, I want a base+recaros for 55 lol)

[SIRLOIN]

Originally Posted by Betiwin

53,000 base, + 2400 electronics pack, 4000 Performance pack, 2500 track pack, 2000 glass roof, 1900 Recaros, 395 cover. Those are i bet a lot closer to prices than what most are thinking. Why do you guys think so much? It is the same car, just TVS cost over regular Eaton, driveshaft, bigger brembos, and shocks. Even if blower at cost is 800 more, brakes 800 mores DS, 600 more and 800 more for shocks, that's $4000. Plus 48,500 that's 52,500. All the others stuff cars is already there. Don't get how you guys so your math.

Because everyone knows that the Shelby is more than likely going to dominate, especially with all the information released already.

The view's will unfold like this.

1. If the Shelby comes in at, around, or under the ZL1, and dominates, The Z will be a total blunder. IMO... Most of that could be attributed to all the smack talking AL O did about how the ZL1 would still smoke the 13 Shelby. Their simulations even proved it...

2. If the Shelby comes in higher than the Z, and the Shelby dominates, it wont matter cause you cant compare the two because of the price difference. This is why everyone wants it to be higher...

3. If the Shelby dominates in all area's, all tracks, even price, as long as there are no ring times posted for the Shelby showing it beat 7:41, the ZL1 is still king.

4. If the ZL1 dominates at any track, it is king because straight line numbers dont mean anything anymore and even if you get smoked at the strip/highway/street,(where 99.9% of all these cars will meet) its all about how fast you can take the off ramp.

5. If the ZL1 gets dominated by the Shelby in all areas, it wont matter because a magazine editor will say the Z was more comfortable and thats all that matters when buying a 580-670hp car.

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by SIRLOIN

Because everyone knows that the Shelby is more than likely going to dominate, especially with all the information released already.

The view's will unfold like this.

1. If the Shelby comes in at, around, or under the ZL1, and dominates, The Z will be a total blunder. IMO... Most of that could be attributed to all the smack talking AL O did about how the ZL1 would still smoke the 13 Shelby. Their simulations even proved it...

2. If the Shelby comes in higher than the Z, and the Shelby dominates, it wont matter cause you cant compare the two because of the price difference. This is why everyone wants it to be higher...

3. If the Shelby dominates in all area's, all tracks, even price, as long as there are no ring times posted for the Shelby showing it beat 7:41, the ZL1 is still king.

4. If the ZL1 dominates at any track, it is king because straight line numbers dont mean anything anymore and even if you get smoked at the strip/highway/street,(where 99.9% of all these cars will meet) its all about how fast you can take the off ramp.

5. If the ZL1 gets dominated by the Shelby in all areas, it wont matter because a magazine editor will say the Z was more comfortable and thats all that matters when buying a 580-670hp car.

I have to admit, there is a lot of truth in these statements. But then none of it would really come as a surprise given the levels of fanboism both cars have.

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by Betiwin

53,000 base, + 2400 electronics pack, 4000 Performance pack, 2500 track pack, 2000 glass roof, 1900 Recaros, 395 cover. Those are i bet a lot closer to prices than what most are thinking. Why do you guys think so much? It is the same car, just TVS cost over regular Eaton, driveshaft, bigger brembos, and shocks. Even if blower at cost is 800 more, brakes 800 mores DS, 600 more and 800 more for shocks, that's $4000. Plus 48,500 that's 52,500. All the others stuff cars is already there. Don't get how you guys so your math.

what is your math based on? bunch of guesses.

revised brakes
reviesed suspention
New motor
Revised transmission (new first gear)
Revised Rear axel (new gear ratio possible more changes)
Revised aero package
revised driveshaft

So the whole car was there already except the complete drivetrain.

shit I hope the car comes in a 25k I will buy one as well. I just don't see them coming in at that kind of price point. if it comes in at 53k I don't know how you could pay someone to take a boss 302 LS at that point. if perfromance and pricing don't line up you will have sales issue. IE see the deals you can get on 2012GT500's right now because of the 302LS and possible the ZL1 and newgt500 coming.

[Betiwin]

So a new motor you say? It's a bored out 5.4 with piston squirters, can't imagine a huge price differance there, trans and rear gear, how does that cost more they are different ratios? Launch Control is from boss 302 and it's software already developed so where do u guys see 11-12,000 dollar base increase. The Boss is a 45k car and LS is 49-50k. Last year the LS and Shelby were almost the same price! Loaded up a 50k boss is cheap compared to a Loaded shelby that will be close to 60k with out the glass roof and car cover.

[DangerZL1]

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[DangerZL1]

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[Stew]

Originally Posted by hognutz

what is your math based on? bunch of guesses.

revised brakes
reviesed suspention
New motor
Revised transmission (new first gear)
Revised Rear axel (new gear ratio possible more changes)
Revised aero package
revised driveshaft

So the whole car was there already except the complete drivetrain.

shit I hope the car comes in a 25k I will buy one as well. I just don't see them coming in at that kind of price point. if it comes in at 53k I don't know how you could pay someone to take a boss 302 LS at that point. if perfromance and pricing don't line up you will have sales issue. IE see the deals you can get on 2012GT500's right now because of the 302LS and possible the ZL1 and newgt500 coming.

You realize you do not tag on the prices of new parts as a whole to the price. You take off the price of the parts replaced first. THat said, gear changes in the transmission and rear end should have no effect on price. Aero enhancements are basically replacing existing parts, lminimum price increase, same with the brakes and suspension, you take the price of the old suspension out, add the new one in, exception would be the electronic suspension, probably roughly a grand difference. Brakes, it already had brembos, so you take that cost off and add the price of the new braking system. Eninge, it is basically a bored (stroked) version of the same motor with a different blower, cams and other adjustments, again, the additional cost is going to be minimal. For all intense and purposes the current base price is 49600, my guess would be 2-3k extra for the base model. the tricky part is going to be the additional track packages.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by 2ndCamaro79

Z06 starts at $75,600K and top speed is 198mph and you know they wish it will hit 200mph, but that cost more of this $$$$$$$$ Plus its only got two seats and is super light, now what would it cost to make a heavier car with four seats and less aero parts hit the magic 200mph???

Top speed is about horsepower and gearing.