[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Somebody better explain what they mean by "over engineered".

As an engineer, I can only tell you that you can't over engineer. You just run out of time, money or both.

Removal of a front bumper to change headlight bulbs comes to mind. Course you might consider that bone head engineering. Also simple maintenance like changing spark plugs requires removal of half the engine components and a lift. Course again is it over engineering or bad design.

[camarosource]

WOAH! this is what I posted in another forum.. Even the same pics

[atlcamaro1]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Removal of a front bumper to change headlight bulbs comes to mind. Course you might consider that bone head engineering. Also simple maintenance like changing spark plugs requires removal of half the engine components and a lift. Course again is it over engineering or bad design.

Exactly.........you must know my car.......lol. One of the reasons i got rid of the audi a6 i had is because you have to remove the WHOLE FRONT of the car in order to service anything on the front of the engine ( alternator, belts, etc.). When i say WHOLE FRONT, thats what i mean. Thats what i love about going back to a General Motors product. Its not complex to do SIMPLE things....BMW turned off a whole generation of customers with that overly complicated idrive system they had. Just keep things simple.....

[suzook]

Originally Posted by Number 3

So which of these "retro" interiors do you want? I'll pass on all of them, thank you.

LMFAO! I hope we get a nice interior like the vette. Same materials, and such.

[High Magnitude]

Originally Posted by Capricio

Bose... NOOOOOOooooooooo!!! Ugh, so hard to replace with better quality aftermarket systems, for no good reason.

1. It's not confirmed. 2. What's better than Bose?

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by fradaj

The basic theme of the Volt and Malibu interiors would not be bad in the new Camaro, but I think they would need to maybe add a little more sportiness to it, more metal, make it more masculine. Also on the infotainment side I would not like it to overwhelm the dashboard. My sister rented a Spark last weekend and the system in it was simple, easy to use and I thought looked pretty good. Something like that would be perfect for me.

THIS. Give it an interior like the new Volt, but with a bit more sportiness, uniqueness, or somehow work a few retro bits in there, and call it good! (oh...and replace the Chevy bowtie on the wheel with the new Camaro badge!)

[GearBangr]

Originally Posted by Number 3

So which of these "retro" interiors do you want? I'll pass on all of them, thank you.

Haha! They all look great to me! But I also dont think anything is wrong with the 5th gen interior.
But Im no interior decorator.

I would prefer if they went C7 style and gave it a driver oriented design.

[Capricio]

Originally Posted by High Magnitude

1. It's not confirmed. 2. What's better than Bose?

I don't think much has changed, but in the past, Bose would use weird impedance values and matched amplifier channels, so if something needed replacing you couldn't just take a different brand speaker cone off the shelf, or replace all the speakers and expect them to work properly. The head units often get tied into the CANBUS so if you replace it, you will lose your door chimes through the system speakers and other things that used to work independently.

Their mobile audio systems sound "okay" but in general, within home audio circles, they are regarded as an extremely overpriced/overrated brand driven product that uses acoustic chicanery (through perfect placement in perfectly dimensioned rooms, and enthusiastic hip young sales people) in botique stores convincing the uninformed that smaller is better, despite the laws of physics.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Capricio

I don't think much has changed, but in the past, Bose would use weird impedance values and matched amplifier channels, so if something needed replacing you couldn't just take a different brand speaker cone off the shelf, or replace all the speakers and expect them to work properly. The head units often get tied into the CANBUS so if you replace it, you will lose your door chimes through the system speakers and other things that used to work independently.

Their mobile audio systems sound "okay" but in general, within home audio circles, they are regarded as an extremely overpriced/overrated brand driven product that uses acoustic chicanery (through perfect placement in perfectly dimensioned rooms, and enthusiastic hip young sales people) in botique stores convincing the uninformed that smaller is better, despite the laws of physics.

LOL exactly my thoughts regarding Bose.

[Bretts]

Originally Posted by Capricio

I don't think much has changed, but in the past, Bose would use weird impedance values and matched amplifier channels, so if something needed replacing you couldn't just take a different brand speaker cone off the shelf, or replace all the speakers and expect them to work properly. The head units often get tied into the CANBUS so if you replace it, you will lose your door chimes through the system speakers and other things that used to work independently.

Their mobile audio systems sound "okay" but in general, within home audio circles, they are regarded as an extremely overpriced/overrated brand driven product that uses acoustic chicanery (through perfect placement in perfectly dimensioned rooms, and enthusiastic hip young sales people) in botique stores convincing the uninformed that smaller is better, despite the laws of physics.

So true lol

having two home sound systems an Analog and a digital system of very different arrangement for the spaces they occupy, I find it hilarious to go to the inlaws who got suckered into those Bose sound boxes wow 10 pounds of engineered plastic... can't it go louder, for 1200 bucks

[Capricio]

So to answer the question "What's better than Bose?"...

Using industry standard impedances of 2 and/or 4 Ohms in all the speakers.

Using industry standard DIN sizes to replace headunits as technology evolves and that 8-track isn't so hip anymore or the resolution on your display looks out of date.

Including a separate subwoofer or at least allowing for one.

Not tying in features through the CANBUS so if you replace the headunit, you give up features that will no longer work.

If driving more than the standard 4 channels, use an external amp. Don't try to drive everything from the headunit.

[Iroc_Z28]

Originally Posted by High Magnitude

2. What's better than Bose?

Cerwin Vega, Klipsch and Dynaudio to name a few.... Bose is decent, but overpriced

[mt3130]

Originally Posted by GearBangr

Haha! They all look great to me! But I also dont think anything is wrong with the 5th gen interior.
But Im no interior decorator.

I would prefer if they went C7 style and gave it a driver oriented design.

I would love a Corvette style interior. I greatly prefer it to the Malibu/Volt design.

Originally Posted by Capricio

So to answer the question "What's better than Bose?"...

Using industry standard impedances of 2 and/or 4 Ohms in all the speakers.

Using industry standard DIN sizes to replace headunits as technology evolves and that 8-track isn't so hip anymore or the resolution on your display looks out of date.

Including a separate subwoofer or at least allowing for one.

Not tying in features through the CANBUS so if you replace the headunit, you give up features that will no longer work.

If driving more than the standard 4 channels, use an external amp. Don't try to drive everything from the headunit.

All of this. Newer factory stereos are designed so that you can't even upgrade if you don't like the base and/or premium options.

You would be amazed what 4 properly powered and aimed speakers and a single subwoofer can do. It will put almost all factory stereos to shame for a fraction of the price. Or you can spend the same amount of money, and get something much better.

I hate how most new cars have so much EQ built into the stock "balanced" sound. When I changed my head unit on my last car, I realized that the components didn't suck, the head unit did.

[mr02Z/28]

Besides more performance options, I would like a really good audio set-up .... Bose, Alpine, I do like Panasonic aftermarket systems ...... Sony, not a big fan ....