2011 V6 'maro vs Nissa 350z?

[DarkneSS]

Originally Posted by JMM1181

OK, so what is the absolute lowest recorded stock time, 14.2?

Personally, I don't really care. I know what the V6 camaro is capable of and what it's not. For instance, I know it's not capable of high 13's stock, even if given the most ideal weather, greatest driver, and a downhill track. The Camaro will see mostly mid-14's at at the dragstrip, which is nothing to be upset about. You telling me it hit's low 14's probably happens about as frequently as a 350z HR driver hits low 13's.

My only point is that, given all other factors are equal (i.e. drivers, manual, auto, etc.) the Z should win no matter what the model-year. Not only do they all have the potential to run low-high 13's, which the V6 Camaro lacks, their trap times are also in the 100's. The only exception to this is obviously the Roadster (convertible).

Is it possible that the V6 Camaro can beat the 350z in a real world race? Hell yes. There are horrible drivers for every car out there. Wasn't there a vid of a V6 Camaro driver who beat a Mustang GT at the track? I've also seen completely stock newer 350z's beat older model Camaro SS's. It can always happen. That said, the V6 Camaro does not hold an advantage against any model year 350z performance-wise.

I did fool. 14,1 corrected 14.3 without.

This is my first manual car and Im only 21, I only have 20,000 miles of driving experience with a manual. There are at least .3 tenths left in my car stock for a better driver to pull out. There is evidence to back it up as well. On that 14.3 run my 2nd to 3rd shift wasss SLOWWW and my 1st to 2nd was just average.

Fact is the Z has been out WAYYYY LONGER and besides myself and a few others no one is running many V6 manuals at the track, or they arent posting up there times.

[CamaroFreako]

350Z is a better car, Nissan make great V6 engines.

[JMM1181]

Originally Posted by DarkneSS

I did fool. 14,1 corrected 14.3 without.

This is my first manual car and Im only 21, I only have 20,000 miles of driving experience with a manual. There are at least .3 tenths left in my car stock for a better driver to pull out. There is evidence to back it up as well. On that 14.3 run my 2nd to 3rd shift wasss SLOWWW and my 1st to 2nd was just average.

Fact is the Z has been out WAYYYY LONGER and besides myself and a few others no one is running many V6 manuals at the track, or they arent posting up there times.

Well congratulations on your 14.3 , but it still does nothing but confirm what I've already stated regarding the performance of the V6 Camaro. The reviews have it listed at 14.2-14.5 quarter mile, and you've landed right in the middle, which makes sense. Enjoy your car for what it is, just don't expect it to beat everything on the road.

For reference: the Z may have been out longer, but official reviews for the oldest/slowest model were still getting 13.9's at time of release (13.6 for the newer model). Actual drivers were beating that time within months of the car's release, that's pretty good considering the Z is not an easy car to launch in manual version. Don't get so caught up in quarter mile times, you can enjoy a car for a lot more reasons than how fast or slow it does a quarter mile.

[KMPrenger]

JMM...I agree with you wholeheartedly that the 350Z is faster...duh.....unless its an older roadster....those are not the quickest.

And just to give you the straight up facts...fastest Camaro V6 reviewed by the "professionals" was 5.6 0-60 in a manual and 14.2 1/4.

Our best stock time here so far is a 14.2 or 14.3...one guy claims a 14.0something but no slip to back it up.

We also have someone that ran a 13.7x with just intake and exhaust, and yes it was perfect weather and DA....so I would think that with the "downhill" track the V6 could hit a 13 lol.

Just sayin lol. and your right, I enjoy my car for much more than 1/4 mile times of course...Its beautiful! But something about owning the V6 and seeing what we can squeeze out of also really appeals to me.

Mark my words, soon we will be seeing N/A V6 Camaros with CAI, Exhaust, headers, E85 tune, ported intake manifold and good rubber running very low 13s or very high 12s. There will always be faster cars.

[Cyber Gray]

Well I really liked the 350z and considered it before the Camaro V6, but what I didnt like was the high price and the two seaters interior only.

I think that 350z can be easily called a sport car, while with the Camaro even the V8 struggles to get that name as it requires modifications too in order to reach to the highest performance.

Come on guys, Camaro is a muscle car. Big body, big engine, big rims!

Its not going anywhere with those stock cans, awful air filter, and loose rear suspension.

But in terms for pay for what you get.. it stays as a road icon and great method for seduction .

[justa25thTA]

Originally Posted by Cyber Gray

Well I really liked the 350z and considered it before the Camaro V6, but what I didnt like was the high price and the two seaters interior only.

I think that 350z can be easily called a sport car, while with the Camaro even the V8 struggles to get that name as it requires modifications too in order to reach to the highest performance.

Come on guys, Camaro is a muscle car. Big body, big engine, big rims!

Its not going anywhere with those stock cans, awful air filter, and loose rear suspension.

But in terms for pay for what you get.. it stays as a road icon and great method for seduction .

While I agree with most of what you said, the highlighted part is dead wrong.

[Cyber Gray]

Originally Posted by justa25thTA

While I agree with most of what you said, the highlighted part is dead wrong.

2011 customer !!

2009 customer is here and those cans are dead in the scrap yard with no regret.

God Bless Magna Flow, CAI.inc, ARH, BBK, BMR, Pfadt, K&N, MRT, Pedders, Trifecta, Stainless Works, Solo, Vmax

Without you life is like a song without music

We have a common say on V6 mods:

(Anything is better than stock)

[08-G35s/6MT]

Originally Posted by Wesman

Its rough running in the higher RPM's, and noticeable vibrations can be felt in the shifter and pedals. The VQ is a notorious oil burner, and has been for years.

I agree with the first part, but the second part is just hearsay.... It makes the same power as the LLT without Direct Injection and it has a much wider torque curve. The LLT feels and sounds like a silky Acura V6, only not quite as smooth. It doesn't quite have the bottom and mid range of the VQ HR, but it's smooth power delivery exaggerates this feeling. The HR feels like a 3.5 liter V8, when you rev it the whole car trembles and the sound from it is so nice. Still not a V8, but you get my point.

[gjarzabek009]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

I agree with the first part, but the second part is just hearsay.... It makes the same power as the LLT without Direct Injection and it has a much wider torque curve. The LLT feels and sounds like a silky Acura V6, only not quite as smooth. It doesn't quite have the bottom and mid range of the VQ HR, but it's smooth power delivery exaggerates this feeling. The HR feels like a 3.5 liter V8, when you rev it the whole car trembles and the sound from it is so nice. Still not a V8, but you get my point.

My car sounds nothing like an acura, neither stock nor modded nor does it feel like one.

[mike25]

Originally Posted by gjarzabek009

My car sounds nothing like an acura, neither stock nor modded nor does it feel like one.

you have to disregard most of what he says- he likes posting against the camaros on this site for some reason- doesnt even own one, but is the first to knock it..

[jeff4946]

Originally Posted by JMM1181

Wesman, there's a reason why nobody pays attention to you. Your posts lack coherent logic, consistency, or any validity, and are instead based purely on your emotions, and let's be honest- you are a very emotional person. This is fine, and please don't take that the wrong way, I'm just pointing out that you would be better off posting on a rational, rather than an emotional basis. It's hard for anybody to take what you say seriously when you have been on these boards for years and very seldom do you have anything worthwhile or constructive to a thread besides how you feel.

This thread is about the 350z vs V6 Camaro. I own a 350z and have driven the V6 Camaro a number of times. Those same professional reviews you mention, rate the V6 Camaro at a 6.1 second 0-60 and 14.5 quarter mile. 14.5 second quarter mile is by no means slow, but by no means fast. I am only pointing out that the oldest and slowest 350z which had only 287 HP was rated at 13.9-14.0 quarter mile in professional reviews, and based on verified times, was clearly capable of 13.6x's. The latest model 350z HR was rated at a 0-60 of 5.1 seconds (a second faster than the V6 Camaro) and a quarter mile time of 13.6-13.7, depending on the professional review- this is also nearly a second faster than the Camaro's quarter mile time, and as has been documented, is capable of low 13's completely stock with a great driver and excellent conditions.

Now, you can huff and puff and get angry, or just accept that the V6 Camaro is a head turner and beautiful car, but if you want to call it a 'fast' car your only option is to upgrade to the SS or spend some money on forced induction.

seeings how you mentioned it 400 times now.... I'm guessing you own one, so you should have the slips to back it up. Post em up!

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

I agree with the first part, but the second part is just hearsay.... It makes the same power as the LLT without Direct Injection and it has a much wider torque curve. The LLT feels and sounds like a silky Acura V6, only not quite as smooth. It doesn't quite have the bottom and mid range of the VQ HR, but it's smooth power delivery exaggerates this feeling. The HR feels like a 3.5 liter V8, when you rev it the whole car trembles and the sound from it is so nice. Still not a V8, but you get my point.

Here's where you are mistaken...no VQ feels like a V8. Not even close.

The reason is simple. The VQ is a 60 degree V6. It is a naturally unbalanced engine, which is not helped by Nissan's choice to not employ any balance shafts to quell vibration and harshness.

The result is an engine that feels rough, especially in the higher RPM. It is bad enough that the driver can feel the vibrations through the shifter and pedals. Every review of the 350/370Z mentions this, its an inherent flaw that Nissan cannot correct.

Cross Plane V8's are naturally balanced engines, meaning they are smooth all the way to redline. Anyone who has driven a GM LS series, Ford Modular, or Chrysler Hemi can attest to that. They are proper performance engines, not rough running family sedan engines that were transplanted into a sports car for performance duty.

[Cyber Gray]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

I agree with the first part, but the second part is just hearsay.... It makes the same power as the LLT without Direct Injection and it has a much wider torque curve. The LLT feels and sounds like a silky Acura V6, only not quite as smooth. It doesn't quite have the bottom and mid range of the VQ HR, but it's smooth power delivery exaggerates this feeling. The HR feels like a 3.5 liter V8, when you rev it the whole car trembles and the sound from it is so nice. Still not a V8, but you get my point.

Are we supposed to laugh or something

[DarkneSS]

This just needs to die at this point.