11-30-2009, 08:22 AM | #1 |
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Who manufactures the strongest and thickest front sway bar?
Just curious if someone out there is making an ultra beefy bar for the front.
I was looking at my friends 2010 GT500 and those OEM bars are HUGE in comparison to these aftermarket bars for the Camaro. |
11-30-2009, 07:46 PM | #2 | |
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Mike has written a white paper on this subject. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...light=sway+bar |
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11-30-2009, 07:49 PM | #3 |
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For all of your suspension questions, I would refer you to member dms from Pedders. That guy knows his stuff and has posted some of the most scientific material I've ever seen on suspensions. The goal is to have the "best" part as opposed to the "biggest."
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http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52392 Please read it and ask any and all questions. thanks mike dms |
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12-02-2009, 06:41 PM | #5 | |
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This is something that I wrote in another post on this subject. In case you got bored halfway through the half truths and spin of mike's post, this might give you some actual information on how swaybars relate to you the user.
Buy your swaybars from a company that actually develops and tests on the Camaro, not a Holden Commodore. Our Pfadt bars are proudly made in the USA. Oh, and a personal peeve of mine, beware of a company that tells you that you can not handle a set of swaybars because they are only for 'racers'. Cars handle well or they don't. You would not hesitate to buy a ZR1 Corvette just because you are not factory driver Johnny O'Connell would you? To the OPs point of why do you not see giant front swaybars for the Camaro, the answer is down in the middle of my post. It has been completely neglected by the other guys, but it is very important. -Aaron Quote:
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12-02-2009, 07:06 PM | #6 |
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PFADT sways FTW!!!
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[QUOTE=Aaron Pfadt;1239867]This is something that I wrote in another post on this subject. In case you got bored halfway through the half truths and spin of mike's post, this might give you some actual information on how swaybars relate to you the user.
Buy your swaybars from a company that actually develops and tests on the Camaro, not a Holden Commodore. Our Pfadt bars are proudly made in the USA. Now Aaron, lets be gentlemen about this. You are referring that we did not test the Camaro. I would bety we did a serious amount more testing on the Camaro than you did and the proof is on utube. You were there, and saw how well the Pedders Camaro performed at Optima. Getting it to handle like that was not luck in any way. Now in case members of this community have not seen the Pedders Camaro in action, here is a short video of our Pedders Camaro at the Optima Challenge with a ZR1 as a chase vehicle: Now we also are experts in ZETA platforms. Pedders R&D in Au has been working on them for 6 years or so and we have done a serious amount of R&D on the G8. There was a lot that we learned about the G8 that directly applies to the Camaro, and this was verified by how well the Pedders Camaro performed. We also learned what a significantly different animal it is from the G8. Even you cannot deny us the Pedders Camaro handled extremely well. So to say or refer that we did not do testing on the Camaro, is totally bogus on your part!! Oh, and a personal peeve of mine, beware of a company that tells you that you can not handle a set of swaybars because they are only for 'racers'. Cars handle well or they don't. You would not hesitate to buy a ZR1 Corvette just because you are not factory driver Johnny O'Connell would you? We have found the large bars such as yours, and even more with ours since it is stronger than yours, can generate oversteer if setup incorrectly. We care about the safety of our customers and just need to discuss the oversteer potential with them prior to them buying it. This is good business and shows that we care. Plus, Optima showed our bar sets with our total package was right on target and optimum!! Plus this has nothing to do with a ZR1, which by the way our Pedders Camaro outhandled the chase ZR1 To the OPs point of why do you not see giant front swaybars for the Camaro, the answer is down in the middle of my post. It has been completely neglected by the other guys, but it is very important. I think the thread that I made on sway bars was well thought out, accurate, and easy to understand for the novice. It was still hard for some to understand, based on the phone calls I have taken to discuss it with them If you think there are any errors that I made in my sway bar thread, then tell me. If you give me your wall thickness, on your hollow tubes, and the thickness of your bars at your bends, and with your permission, I would be glad to do a tick for tac comparison with your 3 sets of bars to hours. If you do not want your wall thicknesses published on a open forum, you can email them to me, and I promise I will not publish them, but will use them to make the metal strength comparisons. Now I will tell you that Pete and myself have great respect for you and your company. Neither Pete or myself have an engineering degree and neither one of us have a NASA or SCCA license such as yourself. But Pedders is the largest suspension manufacturer in Australia with sales over $130,000,000 a year in Australia alone. They have engineers there with hundreds of years collectively, of experience. As for the driving, my experience is limited to a driving school, years of autocrossing in my younger days, and about 75 collective laps at Laguna Seca, Infineon and Willows Racing in California. But have never done fender to fender driving. This is why we hire pro drivers, and use 3 of them. And on critical tests, such as Gingerman, we had all the electronics in to car to monitor all data and compare. So we are perfectly capable of evaluating, enhancing, and changing suspension systems for improvements. In fact, since we are not pro drivers such as yourself, we might have an advantage based on having a better grip on the average Joe who owns a Camaro. dms Last edited by Info@PeddersUSA.com; 12-02-2009 at 08:06 PM. |
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12-02-2009, 07:53 PM | #9 |
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So I wonder if the pedders sways are as bad as there crappy bushing kits. Several customers whom have bought them have complained and only gotten thats standard for them. Pfdat keep up the good work.
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I love the Pedder's set up on my car. And it's just good competition on the forums here. How's your turbo car running?
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Stronger than every brother. Ran road atlanta this weekend. Should of seen the look on those exotics and vettes when I blew by them. Amazing how much 628 rwhp is.
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Thats awesome!! I wish I was closer to run a Road Atlanta or a Luguna or something like that. I will someday. We have a 2.2 mile track up here but the weather will keep that from happening until April. Rock on!!!
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I will also tell you not all the bushings that were installed in his back end were Pedders!! So I would request that before you make a blatant statement like you did, at least educate yourself to the point were you can back up your statements! mike dms |
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12-02-2009, 09:12 PM | #14 |
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ANY Camaro owner that is in any way dissatisfied their Pedders bits should contact their Dealer immediately. If they are not satisfied with the results of working with their Dealer they should call me at the office or my mobile. If there is a problem with ANY Pedders bit our Dealers, Staff and I will work with the customer to make it right. If we can't I will personally see to it they receive a refund for their parts. If the problem is urgent and cannot wait for normal business hours call my home phone.
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