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Old 02-27-2014, 05:27 PM   #29
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Here is the thing with this board, for the good or bad, is that at times it can be too PC. But it is the way it has handled things lately that has everyone in an uproar. The ban hammer swings way too quickly without giving anyone the benefit of doubt. Because of that we have lost some valuable, knowledgeable and helpful members.

Look, we (the public posters) know that the Mods/Admin have been on the lookout for trolling and we have been on our tippy toes trying to get our point across without upsetting you or anyone else. But the perception is, by you banning us left and right, that you favor the vendors over us by doing so. There has to be a better way of handling this and I think I have an idea that came from a personal experience right here on this board.

I posted something that I thought was innocent and harmless. Another member did not think it was so innocent and was actually very upset by my post. Now, as an adult he came to me and said I do not care for your post and explained why. After reading his post I understood his point of view which had not even crossed my mind before he mentioned it. I mean I just thought the post was funny as I am one to post a lot of funny crap. But, again, after looking at it from his point of view, it really wasn’t, so I replaced it with something else. All of this was done without the need to involve the Mods/Admin.

Now, using this as an example maybe the Mods/Admin could realize that not everyone has the same point of view and are not out to Troll as much as is thought and give us posters a little benefit of doubt. Maybe you could come up with a way to clear out what is posted, leave a “Post was edited for possible trolling” note in the post so the OP can come back in and clean it up in such a way as to get their point across without upsetting everyone. Then send them a PM warning them they are on Probation for trolling. Of course if you have to do this to the same person over and over well maybe that person needs to take a class but I think others might actually get the hint and find a better way to post. This way, maybe, just maybe, we can both, Posters and Admin/Mods, find a little bit of leeway and benefit of doubt to just get past this little hiccup of understanding we seem to find ourselves in.

I am not trying to tell y'all how to do your jobs, just giving a possible idea to try and get through a rocky period. Just my $.02, no change required.


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Old 02-27-2014, 05:31 PM   #30
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I need a mod to contact me somehow. I'd like to post something
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Old 02-27-2014, 05:37 PM   #31
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Alright, you guys don't want to be—I'll use your words, even if I don't think they apply—"politically correct" on the forum. Consider this. Camaro5 is unique because officials working for General Motors post here. While they have accounts elsewhere, they feel comfortable posting on a site that is family-friendly and therefore does not tolerate cussing, illegal activity, or hostility toward members. If we relax on the "politically correct" behavior, how eager do you think our friends at GM would be to participate in Camaro5Fest? How often do you think they'd post if every time a speeding ticket were discussed most of the thread bashed the police or most of our "Camaro Vs." section were filled with street racing videos that endanger the public?

I can't speak for GM, but if I represented them I'd be weary of being interpreted as endorsing illegal behavior. That's a scandal waiting to happen, and heads would roll. I like GM being safe to post here, and so do you.

I would say that you have a choice—a site that is inviting to everyone or a site that has no rules—but I can't entertain diplomacy forever. We as moderators have maintained a culture on this site that's been relatively consistent for years. I was a member long before I was a moderator. It's different on the other side. It's easy to complain that people get banned for no reason, but you don't see the reasons, do you? On this side, I see the posts we delete. Your friends that you say are getting banned left and right are getting banned for their offensive content.

I agreed to go out of my way to reevaluate cases, but I haven't received a case yet related to vendor feedback. Is it possible that you guys don't know anyone kicked from the site for that reason? If that's the case, this thread is going no where fast.

GM's involvement is just one thing that comes to mind for me that motivates me to keep it clean here. If you want to post offensive stuff or illegal stuff, just do it somewhere else. This site is here to talk about Camaros. We should be able to do that in a friendly way in accordance with the rules.
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Old 02-27-2014, 05:42 PM   #32
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Blur,

I was able to see your PM but can not respond to it
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Old 02-27-2014, 05:43 PM   #33
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I was able to see your PM but can not respond to it
Very well—just post it up. If I need to delete it, I'll do so without infracting you.
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Very well—just post it up. If I need to delete it, I'll do so without infracting you.
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Seems like we're moving in the right direction - I really hope something comes of it. The recent "obvious" example (alluded to in several posts above) was a real eye-opener for me, and forced me to conclude that this site might not be everything I initially thought. I'd rather see heated discussion/argument with real content/information than have the site restricted to fluff. Deleting an anti-vendor post before it even really gets started (and certainly before anything offensive was posted) reflects poorly on both the vendor and the forum.

Blur - I'm impressed that you are taking this head-on, and thank you for taking this topic seriously.
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Seems like we're moving in the right direction - I really hope something comes of it. The recent "obvious" example (alluded to in several posts above) was a real eye-opener for me, and forced me to conclude that this site might not be everything I initially thought. I'd rather see heated discussion/argument with real content/information than have the site restricted to fluff. Deleting an anti-vendor post before it even really gets started (and certainly before anything offensive was posted) reflects poorly on both the vendor and the forum.

Blur - I'm impressed that you are taking this head-on, and thank you for taking this topic seriously.
The community here is very important to me. I've learned a lot from you guys, and in many cases your experiences have guided my decisions with my car. You should not have to worry whether quality content will be deleted. That being said, I'm confident that most threads getting shut down are exactly what I suspect: people getting out of hand. It might start out alright, but it doesn't stay that way. A lot of good threads have been closed because a few guys just got too heated.

Even though I doubt these claims of maliciously closed threads and banned members, I'm eager to investigate them as soon as someone gives me some screen names.
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The community here is very important to me. I've learned a lot from you guys, and in many cases your experiences have guided my decisions with my car. You should not have to worry whether quality content will be deleted. That being said, I'm confident that most threads getting shut down are exactly what I suspect: people getting out of hand. It might start out alright, but it doesn't stay that way. A lot of good threads have been closed because a few guys just got too heated.

Even though I doubt these claims of maliciously closed threads and banned members, I'm eager to investigate them as soon as someone gives me some screen names.
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IMO it makes sense to delete the offending posts and cite/restrict/ban the trouble-makers. Otherwise, it is too easy for someone with a differing opinion to intentionally get an entire thread deleted.
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Blur,

Thank you. I tried to keep it to the facts. Jannetty is welcomed to respond and defend himself. I will continue to stick with the facts
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I'll throw in my .02 cents, the administration on here does not understand the true definition of trolling. A troll is someone who's sole reason for a post is to piss people off and cause a reaction, if a member on here has a couple thousand posts and is known for helping a lot of people out, they cannot be a troll. If that member decides to make a post saying that they don't like a vendor and gives a legitimate reason why, they are not trolling they are giving an opinion. Trolling would be posting something like "LOLOLOLOL APEX SUCKS LOLOLOL". That deserves a ban. I understand protecting your vendors, but you need to protect your members as well, because we pay through the advertisements.
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IMO it makes sense to delete the offending posts and cite/restrict/ban the trouble-makers. Otherwise, it is too easy for someone with a differing opinion to intentionally get an entire thread deleted.
We can tell the difference. We're not robots.

I've been known to ninja threads and take out just the bad stuff.

Let me share this before I get a butt ton more screen names. Your friends are going to tell you they were persecuted and targeted to leave. That's not the case. We don't care that much. We're here to talk about Camaros, aren't you?

Anyway, here's how a guy usually gets kicked off:
  1. break the rules by calling someone an idiot, even if they deserved it (get a warning)
  2. get angry at warning, call mods Nazis, complain in a public thread (get an infraction because that's not helpful to anyone)
  3. argue with mod, stay online while angry, post something stupid or offensive (get a 10-day ban because posting aggressive content doesn't help either)
  4. come back either hating authority (mods) and end up becoming a troll (ban) or cooling off (all is good)

It doesn't have to be like that. A warning is nothing. No one's keeping track. We've had members get a ton of those, and if they're spread out no one cares. Then you've got guys that seem to turn bad as soon as they say something they shouldn't have said. They get a warning, then say more things and get a ban. If you or your friend gets an infraction, we're not out to get you. I promise. It's just a formal way of saying, "Whoa there—don't lose it."

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I'll throw in my .02 cents, the administration on here does not understand the true definition of trolling. A troll is someone who's sole reason for a post is to piss people off and cause a reaction, if a member on here has a couple thousand posts and is known for helping a lot of people out, they cannot be a troll. If that member decides to make a post saying that they don't like a vendor and gives a legitimate reason why, they are not trolling they are giving an opinion. Trolling would be posting something like "LOLOLOLOL APEX SUCKS LOLOLOL". That deserves a ban. I understand protecting your vendors, but you need to protect your members as well, because we pay through the advertisements.
I've been here all day, and I still haven't found a case where we wrongfully kicked someone. I'll keep looking, but these guys are getting bans from stupid posts, usually calling someone names or crapping on their thread.
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First off I want to apologize if there's any misspelling in my grammar I'm currently talking via Siri and driving.

I think the point got a little bit misinterpreted. When I or we were referring to deleted posts we agree on having posts that are volgar, mean or ill will towards someone deleted that is not the issue.

I was referring to posts or thread that were very honest & opinionated that were deleted. There's post that did not talk bad about anyone it was just a bad experience regarding parts vendor or tuner.

Can you tell me why this post is in someway derogatory or insulting. This member was banned for the simple sentence he added at the end..

https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7455457
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Discovered during a dyno tune that the 10% pulley was causing the duty cycle on the stock injectors to exceed a safe limit.**

Replaced the stocks with a set of ID 850s and now I'm having trouble getting the larger injectors dialed in.**Starting to think the flow rate may be too large for my mod level.**Probably would have been better off with a 65 lbs injector (live and learn).

Since the car is a convertible, seems silly to throw more money into performance mods.**So I'm thinking of going back to the stock crank pulley and injectors and keeping just the Roto-Fab cold air intake and ported TB as my only performance mods.**

Thought it would be easier and cheaper to swap damper pulleys, but it's looking like that might not be an option.
I'll take a "stab at it" let me guess, it's a "remote tune" and the tuner is blaming this issue on parts and or can't get it right? Am I close?

Can can you tell me your reasons or a moderators reasons for banning this person???



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Now now you're talking about GM representatives.
Thank God my job allows me to meet these type of people and people of their caliber and higher.
Yes I agree they do not want to be associated with Volgar language. They want to be associated with the working class with people that Like getting their hands dirty, with people that like to test and test the limits..
They love our feedback and they build off of it.

You want to know why they go to the Camaro fest?
they go because it's a cash cow , lets be honest.
they also go because it's their product that's out there. they go because of us,the people that have influence on what they put out there.
To go because this forum is an outlet for them to meet us and us to meet them.

Now I can tell you firsthand a one GM's specialist that thinks this forum is heading in the wrong direction when it comes to censorship.

Can you honestly tell me gm is going to pass up the chance to go to a fest where their product is coming from every corner of the country, because of a few badmouth people.

can you please answer these two questions ?

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T-bone post is very good very very good I'm surprised that you were drawn more to the politically correct part of that post, im my opinion
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