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Dude you're going a little far. They saw the concept car, fell in love, saw the production spy shots and are still in love. To call that prejudice is a little weird. Believe me, I have overlayed the two cars in the computer several times and they are REALLY close. As close as we could make them. Are you going to keep posting about how different they are or just go away and complain about something else on some other forum? You're not going to convince people that serious profound unneeded changes were made that warrant not buying the car because they weren't. Last edited by camero; 02-04-2008 at 06:31 PM. |
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Why did they chose to go with 2 little headlights up front on each side (most likely HID's) instead of 1 like the old car?
I mean...headlight technology can't be that tough. Just go to any NAPA auto parts store and there are tons of solutions. I am starting to think that all these pictures that we are seeing released are for the basic model. I would imagine that a Z28 model will come out 1 year after the basic production models are out. You remember the old Mustang 5.0 cars (Vanilla Ice days). You remember how much different the 5.0 GT looked when compared to the 4 banger LX. I wouldn't be surprised to see a SINGLE headlamp, Rear Deck Spoiler, Small front spoiler, possibly some body fender modification, wide ass tires and a Z28 emblem on the front grill just in front of the drivers position. Sort of like the 2 stage release on the new mustang Gt 500. Here are the facts...if the car doesn't rock when it first comes out, I wont be buying it...not at 25-30 thousand. There was a reason that the Camaro died the first time and like all other American manufacturers...if GM doesn't listen to the "tuner" market and the 18-28 age group...this car will die just like all the rest. Guys who drag race and grandpa's who drive to get groceries wont move this car in enough numbers to keep it going. If you are a die hard "buy American only" person then this will be the car for you because right now all we have is the Mustang, Soltice and Saturn. With the Toyota Supra coming back and the Nissan 350Z heading into it's 6th generation and Honda getting ready to release another sports car to top the Honda S 2000...not to mention Audi's new offering and the Lotus...I would buy one of these for 25-30 before a new Camaro. Let's ask ourselves...and be real. Unless you live in Kansas or Colorado how much power "muscle" do you really need? Too much Muscle BAAADDDD, Speeding tickets BAAADDDD, Car Insurance BAAADDDD, K-Mart Sucks!!! Brass |
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You said: "i didn't stop liking them they're still my team thru and thru. as for chevy the same goes." I couldn't have said it better, you nicely expressed what is known as prejudice/bias. Likeing something contrary to evidence. I wonder why you're prejudice about Chevy? Do you think being prejudice is good? I don't mind if you like a certain football team, no matter what, but know that you liking it "through thick and thin" is independent of whether or not the team is any good. What we're trying to do here is discuss if the changes to the Camaro are good or bad. You might think that a football team is good, but if it loses every game then objectively it's bad...even though you may still remain a fan. If GM decides to cut holes into the bumper to place backup lights, as an afterthought, then I call that a bad decision, just like punting on a first down while a yard away from the end zone. So why such devotion to GM such that you guys can't admit the bad changes to the Camaro? It sounds like a pathology worth you pursuing. |
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02-04-2008, 06:25 PM | #245 |
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Adding another door would be significant. raising the roof 2 inchs is significant. shortening the track width by 10 inches is significant. Making a cost effective bumper that meets impact requirements . . . some will see as significant but others wont. I'm inclined to think that it is an improvement towards making that concept car into something that I can park in my garage
Increasingly I have the impression that you never intended on buying a Camaro. not because you drive a mustang or don't like the changes that have been made, but because you have ignored one crutial aspect that I bring up in nearly all my replies to your concerns: price. If you don't want to buy it, then price doesnt matter to you. Or you are so stinkin rich that money doesnt matter anyway. If the latter is the case, I urge you to give GM $2mil for a Camaro Concept. If you merely want to gripe about minor things that have been changed for good reason, go to the blogs.
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I don't think i am prejudice, i have never once said that ford or dodge suck, i infact like both, but i preffer chevy's, and you are right, we are here to talk about the changes, but what your saying is one change that has made a difference now brok the deal that is great for you but we arent here to bash on how gm made one change, i wont say little, but a change that can make the camaro more affordable to the common person. but you can voice your oppinion, and if your so worried about if talk to camero or fbodfather about getting a job so you can make it how you want it.
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02-04-2008, 07:35 PM | #247 | |
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In my opinion, thats not blind devotion to bad decisions, it's just not that big of a deal. When i bought my G35, there were a few things on it i would have changed given the choice, but they were not enough to stop me getting the car. Once it is finished, i will go to the dealer and take a look, if i get there and realize i don't like it i will walk. I have the money to buy pretty much any of the muscle cars i like, if the Camaro dont get me then the challenger/ Mustang might. |
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02-04-2008, 08:47 PM | #248 | |
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We're not so much saying we'll stick with the team no matter what, but rather that our team won the championship last season (ie the outstanding Concept). Now it's the preseason and a lot of the old players are back, but not all and some of the new players are questionable. I'm not going to drop my team just because of scattered reports during the preseason. Instead I'll wait and see how they do through the whole season before I switch allegiances. Everyone has things they might not like that much about the pre-production and everyone has things they like. Some are downright fanatical about the gas cap, but the fact remains that some changes have to be made for legal and safety reasons and if those changes are enough to keep you from buying the car then that's your business. For the rest of us, we might just still love the production model.
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You know what i think would make it look more like the concept, if they put back the spoiler. Maybe thats an option for the production version.
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Sorry SBQ your getting on my nerves, you have never said 1 good thing in your 23 posts about the pre-production model. That alone makes me wonder why you are here when you can be hanging at another previous camaro generation site. PS. I'm not a blind devotee, I have never and WILL never own another previous generation camaro(All ugly as sin). I am following the mustang/camaro/challenger and even possibly a G37 or other 4 seat rwd coupe as thats the style of car I will be in the market for in about 1.5/2 years. Right now I see the camaro as the closest to the concept than any of the previously mentioned. If the production comes out and it looks horrible in person, I will go else where. If it drives horrible I will go else where. Until then its ALL speculation and HORRIBLE spy shots of mules that are NO WHERE near production spec.
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I've never had a problem with a gas attendant damaging my car in my years driving. And might I ask what gas is priced in your area? Might I remind you NJ has the lowest prices in the nation. That is WITH full service. I'll take my lower priced gas without the aggravation of pumping it myself thanks. |
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02-04-2008, 09:22 PM | #252 |
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What's with all the hate in this thread? Why can't we all just be friends, united by our love of the Camaro?
Everyone needs to take a deep breath and chill.
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