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Sakudog · 01-23-2017, 05:39 PM

Hi dudes!

I'm running an Alky Control Methanol system on my Twin Turbo ZL1 and the kit was originally installed when the car had the factory blower on it.

So two questions...

1) What methanol fuel cell are you guys running? I have the ProMeth tank (the one that goes in the left corner of the trunk. It has been ok, but it just isn't a road race ready or very durable unit. It is injection molded and held down by two bolts and prone to cracking and lots of sloshing. Who has a JAZ or something else?

2) Who is running Methanol on top of E85? For the experts out there, if my car was always going to be running E85 should I think about off-loading my Methanol kit? Obviously, a retune is in order if I went this route. My motor is fully built...should I be able to make the exact same power? My car has never been dyno'd or run as a Twin Turbo car without Methanol.

Seeking INFORMED opinions.

blake-b · 01-23-2017, 05:56 PM

1) I've used and will still use the 4 gallon tank Julio sells. I had to fashion an aluminum strap to hold it in place. I've had no issues with it. I can't remember the brand name but it was one i'd heard of.

My install (trunkwise) is just like this one, tank and all with the exception of I mounted my meth pump at the rear of the battery well.

2) I'll be running meth with E85 but still not put together yet. Not sure if mine will be tuned to take any advantage of any additional cooling (if any exists) but more likely just there for a little bit of safety in keeping the IATs down. Guys on yellowbullet see gains with E85 and 100% meth. Besides, it is already in place.

3) If you haven't, look up injecting meth pre-turbos... I just opened a can of worms.

Unreal · 01-23-2017, 07:41 PM

I run both. Every 1000+hp LS I know runs both.

Sakudog · 01-23-2017, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Unreal

I run both. Every 1000+hp LS I know runs both.

Yeah, it is like a safety blanket. Just a bit of a PITA to fill and every 12 - 14 months rebuild the pump. I guess @ this power level I shouldn't complain.

dreksnot · 01-23-2017, 08:48 PM

Keep the meth. E85 runs cooler (in the engine and the IVT) - it does nothing for IAT which can pull timing when in higher boost.

Unreal · 01-23-2017, 09:16 PM

Never considered it a pain to fill. Top off tank every oil change, no big deal. Beyond simple and easy.

I ran my first pump for ~4 years. Swapped it out with no issues.

BiggFoot · 01-24-2017, 10:33 AM

Well gents, my tuner said I didn't need both so I converted my AIS meth tank to a supercharger chiller and got rid of the POS cooler that came with the Maggie. Now I circulate a higher flow of water through the supercharger during normal use and when I go to the track I pack the tank with ice then drain it back down when I am finished with the run.

Sakudog · 01-24-2017, 01:11 PM

AIS is now ProMeth and it seems like everyone is running that tank, including me.

Unreal, it seems like you are always on the good side of the Bell curve on things. My Alky control pump started leaking at 14 months and RedlineViper had the same experience. Julio @ Alky control said every 12-16 months, pumps need a rebuild.

Thanks for the input guys!

mrimpala02 · 01-24-2017, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakudog

AIS is now ProMeth and it seems like everyone is running that tank, including me.

Unreal is seems like you are always on the good side of the Bell curve on things. My Alky control pump started leaking at 14 months and RedlineViper had the same experience. Julio @ Alky control said every 12-16 months, pumps need a rebuild.

Thanks for the input guys.

Good to know. I have had mine for almost 3 years and no leak yet and has recently been relocated to the trunk near the battery. I am using a custom setup with a generic 2.5 gallon tank and LED light above to see into the tank at night.

Unreal · 01-24-2017, 01:23 PM

I know what he says, just saying I never had issues, and only did it "just because". Old one still sitting in garage and I need to mail it back.

At least rebuilds are cheap/easy/quick.

Sakudog · 01-24-2017, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unreal

I know what he says, just saying I never had issues, and only did it "just because". Old one still sitting in garage and I need to mail it back.

At least rebuilds are cheap/easy/quick.

Totally understand!

When I talked with ProMeth they recommended using mini-whiffle balls inside the tank (because methanol won't melt them) to stop slosh when road racing etc.

Have you seen a better solution?

Unreal · 01-24-2017, 02:24 PM

Never used anything but washer tank that has none of those issues. Its super tall/long with pickup at bottom.

BiggFoot · 01-24-2017, 03:21 PM

[QUOTE=Sakudog;9522363]AIS is now ProMeth and it seems like everyone is running that tank, including me.

If you are going to keep the meth injection then you should get a spare meth pump to swap out every year so the one that was in use can get serviced by Julio. I happen to have an Alky Control pump I am not using that I would sell.

2010_camaro · 01-24-2017, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiggFoot

Well gents, my tuner said I didn't need both so I converted my AIS meth tank to a supercharger chiller and got rid of the POS cooler that came with the Maggie. Now I circulate a higher flow of water through the supercharger during normal use and when I go to the track I pack the tank with ice then drain it back down when I am finished with the run.

What wheels are those?

01-23-2017, 05:39 PM	#1
Sakudog Drives: 2019 ZL1 1LE A10 Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: The ATX Posts: 966	Methanol Fuel Cell options / Methanol on E85 and more... Hi dudes! I'm running an Alky Control Methanol system on my Twin Turbo ZL1 and the kit was originally installed when the car had the factory blower on it. So two questions... 1) What methanol fuel cell are you guys running? I have the ProMeth tank (the one that goes in the left corner of the trunk. It has been ok, but it just isn't a road race ready or very durable unit. It is injection molded and held down by two bolts and prone to cracking and lots of sloshing. Who has a JAZ or something else? 2) Who is running Methanol on top of E85? For the experts out there, if my car was always going to be running E85 should I think about off-loading my Methanol kit? Obviously, a retune is in order if I went this route. My motor is fully built...should I be able to make the exact same power? My car has never been dyno'd or run as a Twin Turbo car without Methanol. Seeking INFORMED opinions. __________________ Ryker #29 2019 ZL1 1LE A10 2015 Z/28 #809

01-23-2017, 05:56 PM	#2
blake-b Drives: 2009 ZR1 Join Date: May 2010 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,205	1) I've used and will still use the 4 gallon tank Julio sells. I had to fashion an aluminum strap to hold it in place. I've had no issues with it. I can't remember the brand name but it was one i'd heard of. My install (trunkwise) is just like this one, tank and all with the exception of I mounted my meth pump at the rear of the battery well. 2) I'll be running meth with E85 but still not put together yet. Not sure if mine will be tuned to take any advantage of any additional cooling (if any exists) but more likely just there for a little bit of safety in keeping the IATs down. Guys on yellowbullet see gains with E85 and 100% meth. Besides, it is already in place. 3) If you haven't, look up injecting meth pre-turbos... I just opened a can of worms. Last edited by blake-b; 01-23-2017 at 06:07 PM.

01-23-2017, 07:41 PM	#3
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	I run both. Every 1000+hp LS I know runs both. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

01-23-2017, 08:48 PM	#5
dreksnot Served USN - Atomic Chimp Drives: 13 Camaro LSX434 TT M6, 21 ZLE A10 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 1,603 View My Garage	Keep the meth. E85 runs cooler (in the engine and the IVT) - it does nothing for IAT which can pull timing when in higher boost. __________________ In excess of 1,000WHP LSX434 \| AGP 65/65 TT \| BTR Equalizer Intake \| Trickflow 245cc cathedral \| BTR custom cam \| Cortex EBC \| n2mb WOT \| ID-1700x \| Brisk GR12S \| RPM Lv 7 TR6060 \| AGP's Triple 525LPH Fore Fuel \| Monster LT1-S Triple \| 4.11 DSS Proform 9", CF driveshaft, 1400hp axles \| Hurst Line Lock \| MGW Retro Short Throw w/old skool Hurst T-handle \| ADM solid subframe mounts \| Prothane Motor Mounts \| Revshift Poly Trans insert \| Moreno camber/caster plates

01-23-2017, 09:16 PM	#6
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	Never considered it a pain to fill. Top off tank every oil change, no big deal. Beyond simple and easy. I ran my first pump for ~4 years. Swapped it out with no issues. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

01-24-2017, 01:11 PM	#8
Sakudog Drives: 2019 ZL1 1LE A10 Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: The ATX Posts: 966	Methanol Fuel Cell options / Methanol on E85 and more... AIS is now ProMeth and it seems like everyone is running that tank, including me. Unreal, it seems like you are always on the good side of the Bell curve on things. My Alky control pump started leaking at 14 months and RedlineViper had the same experience. Julio @ Alky control said every 12-16 months, pumps need a rebuild. Thanks for the input guys! __________________ Ryker #29 2019 ZL1 1LE A10 2015 Z/28 #809 Last edited by Sakudog; 01-24-2017 at 01:34 PM.

01-24-2017, 01:23 PM	#10
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	I know what he says, just saying I never had issues, and only did it "just because". Old one still sitting in garage and I need to mail it back. At least rebuilds are cheap/easy/quick. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

01-24-2017, 02:24 PM	#12
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	Never used anything but washer tank that has none of those issues. Its super tall/long with pickup at bottom. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

01-24-2017, 03:21 PM	#13
BiggFoot Drives: 2010 Camaro (M6) 1000+ HP SBE Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 1,391	[QUOTE=Sakudog;9522363]AIS is now ProMeth and it seems like everyone is running that tank, including me. If you are going to keep the meth injection then you should get a spare meth pump to swap out every year so the one that was in use can get serviced by Julio. I happen to have an Alky Control pump I am not using that I would sell. __________________ F-1X, Cog Drive, ATI Super Pulley/Sprag ~ 19 psi Blower Cam Brodix BP BR 3 Heads Kooks LT Headers and full 3" exhaust Fore Triple Pump Fuel System with ID 1700X Injectors - E85 conversion DSS 9” Conversion (1400 hp axles, driveshaft, pumpkin) & Strange 3.70 gears McLeod RXT Twin HD Clutch & Upgraded Slave RPM Level VII TR6060 BMR Drag Suspension Package w/Strange shocks Carlyle 15" and M/T ET Street R radials 10.1 @ 143 mph 1/4 mile