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In the front you have a linear suspension movement. The wheel goes up an 1" in the wheel well and the spring compresses an inch. Jounce travel is the distance from the top of the strut tube to the bottom of the bumpstop. For this discussion we'll say it is 60mm. If you lower the front 1" 25mm you have only 35mm of jounce travel. Going hard on the bumpstop unsettles the car in turns. In the rear there is a motion ratio. For this discussion we'll say the rear wheel moves up 1" the spring compresses 1/2". If we lower the rear a bit we don't lose as much jounce travel. The 285s squared are mission critical to the handling of the 1LE. If you go to 305s in the rear and stay with 285s up front you are back to the understeer found in a SS or damn close. The Z/28 runs 305s squared. My Pedders USA Camaro ran 305s squared way back in 2009. If you add 305s to the rear, finish the job with 305s up front |
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As far as the springs go I want to close up the wheel gap to a certain degree. I understand your point about the travel and also the loading of the brakes. So I'm not sure what to do then. I know Supercars is the real answer. The idea of 305's all around is appealing but that involves new wheels. Or is there a way to pull it off with my stock ZL1/1LE wheels? I think what will have to happen is either late December or early January. I plan to have Suspension and Aero done by mid year. Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk
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Do you mean 680mm for a 20" wheel? 580mm is awfully low...
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The SSX is a show car that never ran a hot lap. Not a single one. Then there are the Pedders cars that have been the fastest late model muscle cars (Camaro, Challenger, Charger, Mustang) at every event I have been involved with going back to our first 2009 OPTIMA Ultimate Street Car Challenge.
I take these events and results personally. Starting back in 2009 we documented the build of our first Camaro. We published the test results along with our setup details here on C5. It is a how to book for the 5th Gen. It contained everything we did. How hard can it be to beat a team or car in a race when they have published a book for you to follow? When we beat the other brands 5th Gens at the 2009 OPTIMA following SEMA they were shocked that we had 560 RWHP.They were shocked we had a complete suspension on the car. They didn't like my friend Paul Tracy driving my car. How could anyone be shocked that we showed up with the car that was built on the C5 forum? We ran in exhibition class and felt great about our road course time until a killer Cobra race car nailed it. Since then I have invited everyone and anyone to come out and beat us. Come and take away our spot as the fastest 5th Gen. We still share our setup information on C5. We are still the fastest. One of these days we'll lose that spot and I'll tip my hat to the victor. Then I'll figure out what we have to do to beat them and reclaim our spot. Imagine you are an engineer for TEAM Camaro. You are part of the great crew that built the Z/28. You did your homework. You did the testing. You end up with 305/30/19s on your favorite project... just like the 305/30/19s I ran back in 2009. My 305 fitment that some other suspension company made jokes about in 2009 when we posted this thread and said we can run with a Z06 Vette. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37333 Quote:
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Looks like the Z/28 went a different direction than the SSX. I do tell anyone that will listen how good we feel our setup is for the 5th Gen Camaro. I do it in great detail. I tell them we are the fastest. I have never pointed and laughed at another company here on C5 and never will. The Book of 5th Gen Pedders 2010 Chevrolet Camaro Suspension Evaluation Foundational 5th Gen Required Upgrades Lowering Coils and Coilovers Trouble Free, OEM Quiet V6 Lowering Sway Bars Suspension Bushes ZL1 / CTS-V Brake Upgrade for the SS Wheels and Tires Bush Timing, Alignment and Torque Specs Pedders USA Camaro 2.0 Lingenfelter L/28 Tech 5th Gen Wheel Hop and Drag Race Setup Thermal Management Running Changes Made to the 5th Gen by Chevrolet Public Track Test #1 Public Track Test #2 Camaro vs. Mustang Supercar Shootout 2013 Strut Mounts, Pedders Coilover Pre-Compression and Ride Height Settings Looking over the table of contents I see that I need to write a chapter about the 1LE. The #2 car on this list is a 1LE with Permagrin and Supercars. It also has our CTS-V 6 pots with Cobalt Friction pads. The engine mods are limited to heads, cam and headers. It is on OEM wheels and rubber. CamaroCross Top 10 Fastest Cars Camaro5Fest 4 99 ....Danny Popp........34.868 - LPE / Pedders 29....Todd Rumpkey.....35.344 - Raymond's Performance / Pedders 725..Jordan Priestly.....35.429 - JDP Motorsports / Pfadt 8......Ryan Matthews....35.516 - Detroit Speed / JRI 3......Rob Anderson......35.570 - Wretched Motorsports / Pedders 40....Tim Martin............35.997 17....Scott McAdams....36.761 Pedders 13....Mike Rupp............36.797 Pedders 54....Bryan Johnson.....37.326 5......Benjamin Parker..37.576 Pedders The #3 car belongs to Jordan Priestly (JDP). He has worked his axx off perfecting his Camaro and drove the wheels off of it at C5 FEST. His car is up for sale and some fortunate person is going to be thrilled with it. He listed it as the 3rd fastest Camaro in the country and it is He could have been the 2nd or 1st fastest with a bit of RED Good night all. |
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Damn... just reread this thread. Tons of great info in it. Pete needs to come back 100%. His info/knowledge is too much.
Hope it's all working out for you man...
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