10-25-2006, 08:18 AM | #1 |
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Before you build it GM, Dont make the same mistake twice...
If you build us another Camaro, I will not buy the car if you dont offer a solid rear axle .
Currently own a 2004 GTO and I will never buy another "muscle car" with independent rear suspension. Bad wheel hop, and NO whole shot!! Radically stiff rear shocks on the GTO are lousy for driving. The poor independent suspension makes the car ride like a go-cart in the rear. The stiff shocks were obviously the attempt to reduce the bad wheel hop - but it doesnt work. It only rides hard. MY 69 Z was THE car. We all buy these cars to do a little "DragRacing" and at the track the Goat wont hook-up. Go back to the old style of building a car. Let us choose what options we want so all the cars have their "special" look or options. When I "ordered" my 69. It was was one of a few that had "deleted" options. I ordered the car with the "front air dam" deleted and the "rear spoiler" deleted. Ordered 410 gears, Vinyl Roof, upgraded interior, delete guages. I never seen another one like it. If GM is planning on only building 100,000 of these they better make it so we can order one that is as special now, as it was then. IN 69 I recall there were almost 480,000 built. Then they killed the car by running a new ugly body style, and called it a 70 and a half! It was the EDSEL of the 70's. Build two versions. One with a performance package "solid axle rear end differential" and the other junk independent rear suspension. Otherwise I'll be one of the first generation Z owners, that won't buy the new model. I leased the GTO with the intention of buying it, if I liked it. I don't, so I will turn it in next year in Oct 2007. I Will BUY a new Z IF the suspension is right. But if its the same as the GTO. Not interested!!! Learn from your mistakes GM. Don't take this YOUNG generation for granted by building a car that can't be drag-raced on weekends! Otherwise you will end up with every one you build with poor resale value, just like the overpriced GTO's! AND the Camaro will die again! GIVE us who know better - what we want! We dont buy cars in AMERICA with big horsepower to ride to church! On SUNDAYS were on our way to the TRACK! Get it? |
10-25-2006, 10:19 AM | #2 |
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Well, don't plan on seeing a solid rear axle on the new Camaro. It's pretty certain that it'll have an independent rear, about 99.9%.
As for an under selling Camaro, I doubt that will happen. A big reason for the GTO's demise was the styling, or lack there of. Yes, it performed well, and the interior was very well executed, but people couldn't get past the exterior. Based on reactions from people seeing the concept, GM has a BIG hit on their hands. For those who want to drag race their Camaro's, I'd bet there will be aftermarket companies offering all the necessary hardware. |
10-25-2006, 11:32 AM | #3 |
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I agree that you will not see the solid rear axel on the camaro at all. The costs associated with designing another camaro with a solid rear axle would probably too high to justify the low demand for this option. They would essentially have to completely re-engineer the rear for this. Not to mention the platform that the Camaro will be built around may or may not even allow for a solid axle.
Who knows, maybe the new platform will work well with the IRS and will not have the same problems that were prevelant in the GTO |
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Interior is nice but head room is bad. Pedal postions are bad. Unless youve owned both... you cant under stand. As far as aftermarket companies having traction cures... forget it. There is nothing good available for GTO'S. Dont count on it for Camaros. |
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The Camaro will inevitably sell 100,000+ per year therefore there will be a much larger customer base for the aftermarket companies and thus a much greater propensity for profit. |
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10-25-2006, 01:48 PM | #6 |
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1. More than one person here has heard they are working on the headroom.
2. Pedal postions being bad? First I've heard of it. Moose, you sat in it. How was the pedal position? 3. I guarantee you aftermarket companies will have a cure for wheel hop. How can I put this... You're talking about the 5th Gen Camaro, not a redesigned foreign car. There's nothing good for GTO's for a reason. I'm not saying they are crappy. I like the design, but have even heard a GM employee say, "What the hell were they thinking when they called it a GTO???" GTO's never caught on because it wasn't a GTO...It was a rebadged car. GM already has numerous companies knocking at their doors begging to be an aftermarket company on the 5th Gen. Do you really think that this could be a potential problem GM hasn't thought about? I'm not worried about it. And, I don't know about others, but I'm not going to spinning my tires so much that I have to buy new treads every 6 months. I'll take the IRS in a heartbeat. |
10-25-2006, 01:53 PM | #7 |
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Pedal position in the concept not an issue, nor was the headroom. You would think headroom would be from the looks of it, but I'm 5'11" and fit just fine. Also, Scott, who is about 6' if not taller, was sitting in it and he seemed OK too.
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10-25-2006, 01:57 PM | #8 |
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Good deal. I've seen him sit in it and it looks like there's plent of room. He's about my height, maybe an inch shorter. So, that doesn't appear to be a problem then!
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10-25-2006, 02:24 PM | #9 |
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10-25-2006, 06:01 PM | #11 |
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I’m sorry Cas, I must have put my “Negative Nancy” pants on today. I was not criticizing this thread, all I am saying is, everyone has an opinion and there are a lot of people screaming “I won’t buy it if” when there is not even a production Camaro with test data. No one knows what the performance numbers are going to be so in "my opinion", I would say it is pretty close-minded to be screaming “I won't buy it if” this early in the game.
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10-25-2006, 06:42 PM | #12 | |
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10-25-2006, 09:05 PM | #14 |
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The Vette has an IRS....z06....505hp...no problems!! Granted it's not the same setup...but I'm sure the new Camaro will be just fine.
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