2013 GT500 new certified numbers 662HP and 630TQ?

[CamaroSpike23]

my question to them woulda been "how does it avoid the GGT with 16mpg city and 24 hwy?"

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by justa25thTA

sure you can, you just don't want to. Its the best GM has to offer today against the best Ford has to offer today. What's wrong with that comparison?

cobra Jet

[Scrappy Doo]

That's a big number. I like it.

And for what it's worth..... OMFG here we go again.

[Silver_Shelby]

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[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Funny how the measure being touted for supremacy by the Dearborn Dandies is 1/4-mile-only. Based solely on a 662 hp number. That, in production trim, is an unknown quantity in the hands of the "great unwashed".

"One Trick Pony" comes to mind...for SURELY you'll agree the GT 500 stands ZERO chance on a roadcourse vs. the "underpowered/traction-limited/over-weight" ZL1...right? After all, the GT 500 at 550 hp, its stable-mate the BOSS LS kicked its hiney @ VIR...and the lowly under-$40K 1LE beat the Best-handling BOSS...and the ZL1 tramples 'em ALL!

What the Camaro needs is some REAL competition...not some hobby-horse pretend-a-car with the influences of one very old chili-peddler...

Bring 'er to VIR, and let the clocks decide...

I havent been keeping up with the 1LE as much as I should because if it turns out to be a better raodcourse car, I will forego my ZL1 pruchase and get a 1LE instead. So, my question is, is it a fact that the 1LE has run vs the Boss or your claim is just based on simulations? By the way, after a few laps, a NA car will eventually catch and pass a FI car due to heat soak. Boss and 1LE will spank a ZL1 and GT500 on a roadcourse if they are run more than a couple of magazine laps.

[garcmol]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

I havent been keeping up with the 1LE as much as I should because if it turns out to be a better raodcourse car, I will forego my ZL1 pruchase and get a 1LE instead. So, my question is, is it a fact that the 1LE has run vs the Boss or your claim is just based on simulations? By the way, after a few laps, a NA car will eventually catch and pass a FI car due to heat soak. Boss and 1LE will spank a ZL1 and GT500 on a roadcourse if they are run more than a couple of magazine laps.

Head to head, I don't know. All I've seen is the 1LE did a sub 3 minute time at VIR. What configuration and all (track wise), I have no idea.

I like GM gave buyers a chance to get some of that road course magic at a price that's not in ZL1 territory!

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by garcmol

Head to head, I don't know. All I've seen is the 1LE did a sub 3 minute time at VIR. What configuration and all (track wise), I have no idea.

I like GM gave buyers a chance to get some of that road course magic at a price that's not in ZL1 territory!

so it was another pre-production special. Got it.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

so it was another pre-production special. Got it.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...to-2012-page-8

Notice what ran a 3:02.8...BOSS LS

...and the GT 500 ran what? 2/10ths quicker than a CADILLAC...which weighs 400+ lbs. more...it's a good thing the Stang's workin' on it's vaunted POWER-TO-WEIGHT...

...and the 1LE ran "under 3:00"...which beats the BOSS LS and certainly the 550hp GT 500...

...for "Under $40K"...

Feel free to direct the Dearborn Dandies to this link...

[429ci]

Shelby GT500 FTW. Very very impressive car.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by 429ci

Shelby GT500 FTW. Very very impressive car.

Indeed...reminds me of the winter of '69 when Ford announced their killer plans for the Shotgun BOSS 429 on F60s..."gonna annihilate the Camaro!"...and it struggled to run high-13s (the 13.60 listed was by far the quickest that nose-heavy slug ever ran)...while the ZL1 on 70-series tires ran 13-teens...

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclec...s-50fast.shtml

The more things change, the more they stay the very same...

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...to-2012-page-8

Notice what ran a 3:02.8...BOSS LS

...and the GT 500 ran what? 2/10ths quicker than a CADILLAC...which weighs 400+ lbs. more...it's a good thing the Stang's workin' on it's vaunted POWER-TO-WEIGHT...

...and the 1LE ran "under 3:00"...which beats the BOSS LS and certainly the 550hp GT 500...

...for "Under $40K"...

Feel free to direct the Dearborn Dandies to this link...

you like to sound knowlegleable but you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. The 2011 GT500 ran at VIR and posted a 2:58 time. You are talking a lot of smack. Why stoop so low, why not just wait til the new snake comes out and get tested with the ZL1. Are you willing to bet anything (performance-wise) against the GT500 or are you all smack talk?

http://wot.motortrend.com/video-2011...onds-7699.html

[LOWDOWN]

Funny...a word you like to use...I didn't start any of this on this site...it was the Dearborn Dandies who invaded this territory to tell us simpletons what a fine outstanding piece of horse-flesh this soon-coming Stang is, and that we should head to the Arc before the Ford Flood arrives!!!

Got my galoshes on, FFR. Best you find some water-wings...

Road course? ZL1...proven over the BOSS @ VIR...and Arizona, too. "Only by a few seconds", moaned the Ford fans. "Only", indeed...

1/4-mile? Only Ford guys seem to be REALLY excited about a more expen$ive nose-heavy night-MARE having some opportunity at possible redemption, there.

BALANCE. ZL1...in SPADES! After all, this is the new milennium, not the greaseball days of old...

For less dough...and no extra-cost band-aid options required...and no patchwork chili salesmen required.

[el ess A]

Y'all sound like a bunch of whiny babies all talking out your azz. Ain't no Mustang die-hard is gonna buy a Camaro, and no dedicated Camaro lover is gonna buy a Mustang. It's how it was, is, and will be. Get over it.

You cannot be unbiased in this. It's like having kids. You may SAY you love them all equally, but you know, deep down, there's always a favorite, no matter how slight. Don't bother lying about it ,either.

[GaBoy25]

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