08-20-2015, 06:13 PM | #1 |
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SRT Hellcat and Hemi Engines Might Not Survive Through 2019
SRT Hellcat and Hemi Engines Might Not Survive Through 2019
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08-20-2015, 07:05 PM | #2 |
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History repeats itself. Just like 1971 all over again. If so, those current Hellcats will quadruple in value very quickly.
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I'll be amazed if chrysler corporation last through 2019.
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Exactly. Other than GM products I'm a bit of a Jeep guy, I was appalled when FCA rolled out a FWD Fiat crossover and called it the "Jeep Cherokee."
It's the same reason I wasn't even excited when I heard FCA patented the Barracuda name again. It's hard to believe it'll be a real performance or muscle car with the way things are going. |
08-22-2015, 06:43 AM | #7 |
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The article is pure BS.
As long as HP sells, the mfg's will build them, and the Hellcat clearly sells. The current gen Hellcat is in the middle of its 3 year run, and gen-II cars are in testing now. Bet on the 6.2 SC having even more power in 2018, not a V6.. |
08-22-2015, 09:55 AM | #8 |
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The problem is the CAFE standards will be kicking in. CAFE stands for corporate average fuel economy. If manufacturers don't meet it they get fined for each vehicle produced. Pickup trucks are the top sellers, and they get lousy mileage, which doesn't leave room for a lot of muscle. Since every vehicle sold counts in the average, expect to see less cars with big engines. It sucks but Uncle Sam killed muscle cars once and he seems intent on doing it again.
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Cars like the Hellcat are not high volume so they don't contribute much to the average and can continue to exist provided they sell well. |
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That's the contradiction. You said, "Cars like the Hellcat are not high volume, but they can exist as long as they sell well"? Well, the more they sell, the more it impacts the fleet average fuel economy. Popularity will kill them. Yet, if they don't sell many, their is no incentive to produce them. The solution? Well, for Chevrolet, it's the 4 cylinder Camaro. Super Chevy just wrote an article praising the 4-cyl turbo Camaro. Why? That 4-cyl engine, if it sells well, will allow GM to continue producing the V8 ... at least for a little while. Taken from this months Super Chevy magazine - "Every car sold figures into the average for the manufacturer. The way the law works, is that all vehicles produced by the auto maker have their EPA mileage numbers averaged into a single number by a complex mathematical formula. That number must meet or exceed a federally set CAFE standard. If the company's CAFE is less than average, they are forced to pay a hefty fine to the tune of $5.50 per .1 mpg" .. That's for EVERY vehicle they sell. It doesn't matter how well the Hellcat sells. They need to lower MPG for the entire fleet to make the cut on these new standards. If a manufacturer fails to meet the standard, for every .1 mpg under, per 1 million cars - the fine is $5.5 million dollars! They miss by 1 mpg, it's $55 million! In the big picture, cars like the Hellcat are fun, but they are small potatoes. Fiat/Chrysler makes their money selling pickup trucks and econo boxes. If one or the other has to disappear, say goodbye to the Hellcat engine.
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But an even bigger concern for them should be the poor sales of the Dart. Strong sales of efficient cars like that make it easier to do gas guzzling V8s. GM does fairly well in the compact & subcompact segments, as does Ford. But FCA has been struggling with the Dart, for reasons that I'm not entirely sure of. And the 500 isn't doing that great either. At the moment, they're probably relying on diesel half ton Rams to pull their average up ... which just feels odd.
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Sounds like a 'internet rumor' marketing ploy to drum up 'mania' to buy (dealer induced) so the dealer(s) can mark it up to crazy $#s ;o).
These are selling, are not in large enough #s to kill the 'averages' MPG and emissions, so, why would they want to kill it? It an attention getter and help sell other versions too... -Don
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