01-13-2008, 11:25 PM | #1 | |
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Toyota Will Offer a Plug-In Hybrid by 2010
At first I though, Oh crap....
But after reading what they want to make to compete with the Volt, had me laughing. Leave it to Toyota....... Quote:
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01-13-2008, 11:30 PM | #2 |
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Toyota is looking more and more like GM in the bad days from the mid 70s to a few years ago. All they care about is market share and sales volume, chasing it at the cost of profits and reliability (profits are still good, but I predict that will downturn a few years down the line). And now they're moving from leader to follower mode, making a product that just halfway competes with the innovative ideas of others. If you look at GM's bad days, they were the ones who reacted to Toyota. Ah how times change.
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01-13-2008, 11:40 PM | #3 | |
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You bring up a good point, I took this out of a Reuter's article:
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01-13-2008, 11:58 PM | #4 |
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I used to work for Sport Chalet, and our motto was "To be not the biggest, but the best". I think that is the right philosophy to have. For so long Toyota understood that if quality comes first, volume follows. Sadly, they have lost sight of that and have put the cart before the horse.
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01-14-2008, 11:23 AM | #5 |
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I prefer GM's approach to hybrids in general, make the cars that people want to buy into hybrids, not make hybrids then tell people that they should buy them. And the volt, if people are looking for a small, extremely efficient, and kinda cool looking car, there will be a market for it. For those that want a small, very efficient, and kinda goofy looking car they will buy a prius plug-in.
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01-14-2008, 02:29 PM | #6 |
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To paraphrase Crocodile Dundee...."that's not a plug-in, that's a plug-in"
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/fisker/...a-ar50565.html another article too.... http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/14/d...owd-impresses/ Okay, too high priced, but DAMN....now, line the two plug-ins up side by side and see which one people want to drive. Notice the performance numbers too....do you think the Prius' 0-60 time is measured with a calendar rather than a stopwatch? Oh, yeah, check the article....Fisker's plug in will be out before Toyota's. Don't be surprised to see someone like BMW (they've worked with Fisker on engines in the past) buy up the whole company just to get the technology. VW could be a huge player too....they have a goal of being bigger than Toyota in the near future, jumping into the plug-in market could be a quick first step towards achieving that goal. Anyway, I agree with DGthe3...GM's approach is much better than Toyotas. Take the cars people want to drive and give them a hybrid option rather than making a POS and telling people they should drive it. |
01-15-2008, 12:31 AM | #7 |
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I simply don't understand the point of doing all this work only to get 7 miles out of the batteries. You might as well do engine work on it to get better gas mileage.
The prius, I think we can pretty much all agree, doesn't win any awards in the looks dept. The Volt on the other hand....do I need to say more? Oh, and yeah...almost forgot...it gets 40 miles on a charge! Personally, I don't see ANY compaison between the two. Volt wins....HANDS DOWN. |
01-15-2008, 08:03 AM | #8 |
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Toyota's got one thing on their side, though, that GM hasn't had for years...PR.
Hopefully the Volt will be the catalyst for a massive turnaround in that. |
01-15-2008, 08:49 AM | #9 |
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GM is working hard to promote a greener image. I think they might need to take a more direct approach against Toyota. The hybrid silverado would be a good tool for that
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